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    Evening all.

    I'm confused about something. I have a load of correopsis seeds. The seed packets say HHA/HP.

    HHA = Half Hardy Annual
    HP = Hardy Perennial

    I always thought correopsis was perennial.

    How can they be HHA/HP when that suggests that they are a tender annual but also a hardy perennial?
     
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    Half hardy annual, or Hardy perrenial.
    I think it relates more to how you grow it, seed packets/ catalogues often do that.

    You can sow early under cover to get flowers first year,(HHA) or you can sow later outside to get flowers next year and following years (HP).
     
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      Thanks Pete. But if I grow early so that I get flowers this year, but they are perennial, shouldn't I expect them to produce flowers next year and subsequent years too?
       
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      Correopsis are short lived perennials, clueless, and for that reason most gardeners tend to treat them as annuals. It's as Pete says, it's the way you can grow them. I've never had them last more than two seasons and sometimes not even that.:dunno::snork:
       
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        Thankyou Armandii.
        I've never grown them, so was thinking how I would answer, you saved me.:blue thumb:
         
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          Gutted now then. I thought they were proper perennials.

          If they are effectively just annuals, how come the garden centres can get away with charging upwards of a fiver per plant?
           
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            Can't help you there i'm afraid. I bought a bottle of HP Sauce though, i'm paying it off at 3p a week.
             
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              I'm sure Armandii will answer this in a moment.:biggrin:
               
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              In exactly the same way that they sell tender perennials as perennials! How many people would pay £7 (around here) for a half hardy perennial Salvia patens? Far less than pay £7 for a fully hardy one is the answer!
               
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                To be honest, clueless, I had the same reaction for I first grew them. I sowed them, grew them on, and had great long term plans for them. My garden is in the borders mostly perennials and I do grow only a very annuals. So when they didn't last more than a Season or two I was disappointed......having said that I have problems keeping Monarda and Echinacea, but I keep trying. But Correopsis are unfortunately what they are, short lived perennials.:snork:
                 
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                  You know as well as I do that you cannot go by the descriptive labels on plants at some Plant Nurseries:wallbanging: , if we did we all have perfect plants and perfect gardens:heehee: I find it's better to do a bit of research on plants, and not from just one source, I'm thinking of getting. But let's face gardening is always a learning curve and we'll always be overly optimistic and ambitious:heehee:
                   
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                    Is there a low maintenance perennial alternative? I like the appearance of coreaopsis, and the fact that apparently they are good for bees and butterflies.

                    Rudbeckia?
                     
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                    If there is one thing I'm reluctant to do, clueless, for many reasons one of them being I'm always learning about plants and gardening, is recommending plants!:dunno::snork: But Rudbeckia is a good tough perennial and, if you like it, why not!! There are different varieties and colours so I like them. I also like Heleniums and Helianthus....but it is down to personal choice
                     
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                      Correopsis -Do they reproduce from late Summer cuttings that can be overwintered?
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                      Because they are what they are dividing the roots does work the best, but again they are short term plants best, in my opinion, treated as annuals.....but then there's nothing like trying, Jenny.:snork:
                       
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