UK and the EU

It may be a cut'n'paste longk but it is worrying to see it in print. That was my reason
for posting it. And no I didn't check to confirm as it was sent to me by a reliable source -
who obviously had not checked it all either.

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and re your post Freddy, like you, I dunno what to say - that is so tragic!

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as if I was having a pop at you personally - I apologise for that.
My poorly made point was that there is all sort of bull popping up and being spoken about this issue. Make it sound dramatic enough and people buy it. Sorting the wheat from the chaff takes a lot of doing. And worse still figures get bent, twisted of just plain invented. Apart from the sum that we actually pay (less rebate and grants, aid and funding coming back) all other figures are pure conjecture on both sides.

 

Apparently a lot of people are worried about the prospect of Turkey joining the eu. So I did some reading. I found this.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57556aa2-1e9a-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz4BsNI3nIl

It basically says it won't happen.

 

Turkey joining the EU is a bit like hard work.
It never killed anybody, but why take the risk.

And I find it strange that something as simple as another country joining the EU can be so unsettling, if the EU was run as a trading area, rather than a form of cheap labour for the richer countries, it wouldn't really matter, to anyone, who joined.
Its because of the sad fact that the EU wants to run every country that belongs, and dictates how they run and organise their own affairs, that makes the whole set up unpalatable.

If it was reformable, I'd definitely vote to stay in, but I dont think it is, or ever will be.

 

With all due respect, that has got to be among the least convincing arguments I've ever heard. That's right up there with Donald Trumps argument that all Muslims should be banned from entering America, just in case.

We have a nuclear arsenal here in Britain. Probably China or Russia will give us no bother. But why take the risk?

 

Well actually Clue, it was you that made the accusation that if Turkey are not allowed to join everything will be OK, or maybe I read it wrong?

I was pointing out that there shouldn't be any problems regarding any country joining the EU, if it was actually run properly.

Which it aint.

 

Yep. But turkey won't be allowed to join.

 

OK, so its ok for us to stay then???????????

Just that one factor is a good reason to stay?

Personally I dont care if Turkey join or not.

What I would not want is everyone in Turkey having the right to travel around Europe and live in any country within the EU that they want, same with any country within the EU, not just Turkey.

 

We all have our opinions. None alone is best. That's why we all get to vote. It might be better to leave. It might be better to stay. Hopefully the combined wisdom of all of us will be enough to choose the best option.

 

Still thinking of voting remain? Have a look at this article in the Telegraph:

Petrol, electricity and airfares could be taxed under radical proposals being considered by Brussels

Can't do a link as I've used up all my 'free' articles for this week.
The meeting was 'postponed' until after the referendum...Brussels can impose taxes on the UK and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

That's in response to the refugee crisis, and the costs associated with dealing with it.

Now, if for now we overlook the fact that everyone is saying that taxes will go up if we leave, we must ask ourselves this. What sort of people would we be if we abandoned Europe just because we've hit a blip. What sort of people would we be our decision was largely based on wanting to hold our hands up and saying 'not my problem mate'.

In the lead up to ww2, when Germany invaded Poland, what might have happened if we'd said 'not my problem '.

 

a problem that I can foresee in case of a brexit is that the "not my problem" attitude will be reciprocated and privileges will be denied to the UK. But then, to what extent...I have no idea.

 

But, and it is a but, only a couple of weeks ago the remain camp was telling us these things would happen if we left.

As to Poland, its well known that they helped "us" during WW2. so we should be grateful.

If my taxes are likely to rise due to the fact that Merkel has thrown the doors open to every one , and anyone, who likes to descend on Europe, then that is another good reason to get out.
Most of those entering Europe are not refugees, they are economic migrants.