London Attack

I agree Pete. Also, no matter how many police /army personnel we have on the ground, how do they stop another nutter hiring/stealing a vehicle and running down more victims before having their brains shot out?

 

I notice Mr Khan has jumped on the bandwagon today questioning the fact that the security services have know about the attackers and done nothing.

I'm pretty sure Mr Khan would have been one of the first to complain, had the police hassled these people without them actually having committed an offence.


Which is why nothing gets done, they are, (the police etc.) walking a very narrow path trying to contain such individuals but not allowed to upset the Muslim community.

 

Basic policing is very poor and when in the countryside it even gets worst to the state of none even when you report something nowt happerns

 

@Jiffy, we can have a police officer in the countryside if he has a speedgun attached to his hand! anything else.....48 hours later an officer might turn up

 

Lucky you, they don't even turn up here, even reporting some one for breaking the law, with every bit of detail (i could have tolled them the colour of there underwear) they still took 2 years to do something so if there was some big stuff like the london attck here i wouldn't hold my breath

 

I do think our police get a really rough deal @Jiffy, there's quite simply not enough of them, however I do agree with what you are saying, if we had a terrorist arrack in our village I think we'd be in trouble, for a start the police station is a good 10 minute drive & even when they got here I'm not sure what they could do! I honestly think it's time for all our police officers to carry guns. We aren't dealing with petty crime anymore these idiots are serious & all I can see is more attacks, there's so many of the bleeders! What a terrible state of affairs, I never thought I'd be in favour of guns, but I've been pushed to the limits by these awful pieces of *h*t (I can't call them humans they don't deserve that label)

 

I've thought for years that every copper should have a side arm.
Lets face it, if someone was about to shoot into a crowd who would you prefer to have turn up?
A nice unarmed policeman that has a batton, or one with a gun?

They cannot do their job effectively these days, (protecting the public), and not be armed.
We seem to have just two kinds of coppers, those that are unarmed, and those going around with automatic weapons, surely something in between the two is asked for?

Personally I dont think it would be a bad idea if every polling station had at least one copper in attendance tomorrow, and armed.

 

Jiffy, just say you have a shotgun and you intend shooting the perpetrators, the law will be round very quickly, and you will probably get free accommodation for a couple of nights at least.

 

Our police station is a good 30 minutes away, The last time we had a police officer here (because of break in) we had to give them directions as they couldn't find us

 

And many "coppers" have thought (for those very same years) "I hope not!"
If they had wanted to be a member of an armed force, they would have joined the armed forces
It should also be noted, that whatever 'gadgets' (and I use the term lightly) a Police Officer may carry, those self same 'gadgets' could be - and on occasions are - wrestled from and used against them! So, from a differing point of view: ask 'coppers' if they *want* to be armed?

My brothers were all military men; all saw active service. None of them, despite their "training", escaped unscathed when having to put that "training" into action. In practise, it is all so easy: target up! Bang! Target down! Now put flesh and bone into the mix and it is not at all the same as training.

My heart goes out to those people who pulled the trigger recently. They are the ones who will be second doubting themselves; they will be the ones who are put under intense scrutiny and have to justify every split second thought process/justification for what they did! They are the ones who will now see there is a huge different between "target up/target down" and the actual *human* element of blood, bone and sinew. They are the ones who are now, most vulnerable to PTSD. Or, do we not consider that they may even be traumatised by what they have *had* to do in the name of Policing?
Target "practise" is one thing.
Taking a human life, in reality, is quite another!
Think about it: we live in a society/culture where taking someone's life is seen as abhorrent, or madness, or perverse - certainly something which screams out for a punishment of some kind or other!
So, from where should we recruit these Police Officers - who are comfortable carrying a weapon as a matter of course - who may have to be responsible for blowing out another's brains? Could *you* do it?

 

I assume we recruit them from the same kind of people that nearly every other police force in the world recruits theirs.

I know for sure target practice is one thing, taking a life is something else, but that is surely where the training lies.
I can understand maybe the bobby that wants to wander around chatting and being help full if you ask him the time (1950s), not wanting to be armed, but it's all getting a little bit passed that these days.
The thinking is all wrong IMO, and they cannot protect the public anymore, let alone themselves.

 

Oh well, if they dont want to be armed I guess that is up to them.

Just cant see the point in being cannon,( knife or samuraii sword fodder).
Tazers only seem to be any use against drunks, druggies, not someone who wants you dead.

Comparing us with America regarding gun crime is a bit silly as "most" people don't possess guns here, and it's not that I mention it as if it will "solve terrorism" just one more step.

I can up to a point understand why the copper on the street doesn't want a gun.
It's probably down to the fact that if he should shoot anyone, even if they are violent he will be dragged through the courts for the next 5 yrs.

 

First thing I thought about if I had been in the situation in London was how to liberate a table leg quickly.

I'd feel much better with a table leg in me hands if someone was coming at me with a knife.