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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by pete, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Sheal

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    I've not heard of Kumho and won't touch Yokohama's Harry, I've not had a good experience with those in the past.

    On the whole the weather isn't that much worse here than the rest of the country. We had a bad winter here last year but that was a one off, but we do experience lower frost temperatures which in turn makes side roads icy. I need to use a car as I live in a rural area. When Mr S and I first moved up here we considered buying a 4 x 4 but there is no need for it. It's difficult to avoid hills in the Highlands, in fact finding a house to buy on flat land is very difficult. :)
     
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      It was me that mentioned skittish steering Pete and that's due to the directional tyres I currently have on my car. It's only the second time I've bought a car with these already fitted and it's the second time I'll be glad to see the back of them. I don't push things to the limit when driving, I'm not that stupid! :)

      I've never had winter tyres and have driven in dreadful conditions, snow, ice etc. on many occasions. It's knowing how to handle the car in those conditions that is necessary. A lot of younger folk haven't had experience of driving in snow or icy conditions because extremely bad winters are now few and far between. They are the road users to fear in my experience.

      I checked the paperwork for my car this morning and bearing in mind my current Michelin 'directionals' were already on the car when I bought it - and currently still legal, they've driven 18,000 miles. So all in all they've done well. :)
       
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        No, but the ultimate limit of the tyre represents the ultimate opportunuity to avoid an accident.
         
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          Oh, ye gods!.. So sorry friends but what the hell is the problem? So you think you need a new tyre. Why? puncture. Screw or nail embedded in the tyre. tread worn down.
          Punctures taking into account, screws and nails. Punctures are usuallyrepairable if the damage is to the tread. Sidewall damage sadly ends in a replacement. For the enthusiast, sticking to the manufacturorist specs is a good thing. Outside. Yes cost is perhaps a matter to consider. So for the time being, perhaps a cheapy will do. Here lies the decisive IMO. Not wishing to beome too over the top. Hear I speak as an advanced police driver class one. Basic principle. Driver must understand his vehicle. So basiccally you might be driving around in a death trap. At the end of the day. Your car might be shod with the ultimate tyre or the cheapy. It rests with you. Tyre manufacturers specify the max speed etc these tyres are considered safe at. The ball is back in your court. As a former police traffic oficer. Here in the UK,I would feel safe driving at 70-100mph on basic tyres. Yes time and mileage will indicate replacement etc. Down to earth. It is legally upto the driver to decide the how's, when's and wherefores.
           
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          With the greatest respect Mike, there are tyres on the market now that are imported from China where there are next to no controls on standards or quality; sure, they can stamp a tyre as being Y-rated, but it is merely as stamp on the sidewall and nothing more. There are absolutely NO checks when they come into the UK, so they nobody knows if they meet the standards or not - - and sadly, the way that many people find out is when they cannot stop for that child who steps out from behind a parked car, or when their tyre decides to delaminate at 60-mph.

          Yes, some of the Chinese manufacturers are starting to cotton on to the fact that the market here is completely different to their home market, in as much that we won't be happy to just endlessly replace faulty items with the same brand - we will take our business elsewhere, or we will claim under warranties; in short, they have learned that they need to be making stuff to a reasonable standard or we won't buy.

          I have heard some good things said about the likes of Kumho and Nangkang, but confess that when it came to crunch time with my own money, I always went for more of a known brand. On an average tyre, the contact patch is around the size of an A4 bit of paper - - if that contact patch is hard, with a lot of silica in the rubber mix and is therefore slippy........... well, that child stepping out from behind that parked car is going to have a bad day.
           
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            Those are the tyres I use :th scifD36::whistle:

            I have to agree with Mike - it's more down to being sensible and taking account of the road conditions - and not so much the tyres....oh no, I'm starting to sound like my Dad :hate-shocked:(God bless him).

            Reminds me of a conversation I had on a motoring forum, it went something like this:

            Other member - "those cheap tyres are rubbish, I was sliding across the road and the abs was coming on all the time!!'

            Me - "none of that has happened with my cheap tyres - I just don't drive like that." :biggrin:

            Mind you I did insist on 'quality' tyres when I was whizzing up and down the M56 - I've no idea why, as the car drives exactly the same with the cheap tyres.
             
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              I must admit @clanless, for the very short time I tried the Chinese rubber on my car, I was quite surprised with them - but they came with the car, and are now on the spare set of wheels (which will get refurbished, one day...... you know how that one works... :snorky:); even so I am very unsure that I would entertain buying them. Then again, I may be less reluctant if I was running something like a Fiesta or Yaris - less weight, less mass, less power and front wheel drive handling, so I do wonder how much the vehicle itself factors into my thinking.
               
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                The issue that is clear from any motoring forum - is that drivers will always favour well known brands over the less well known. Good advertising perhaps? :dunno:

                Staying on topic - isn't there a set of EU required markers on all tyres now - if I remember correctly - noise, wet stop distance and something else. I compared my usual quality brand with the cheap tyres and in all honesty couldn't justify double the price.

                The last time I visited the local tyre fitters - many of the punters ordered cheap tyres - a sign of the times or are people cottoning on?:whistle:
                 
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                There is @clanless, but that is measured and declared by the manufacturer themselves and is not tested or enforced in any way; indeed, it is another example of the EU creating rules and red tape that actually mean nothing.

                But then, we live in a time when company can be given a multi-million pound contract to run ferry services when they do not have any boats.

                I agree that more people seem to be going for the cheaper brands than used to, and that tells me two things - people are skint (I know I am!), and that some of the cheaper brands are actually manufacturing to a decent standard, having learned that they cannot sell rubbish over here and expect to survive/thrive.

                Oddly enough, I added this to my 'watch later' list recently on the old Tube - I haven't watched it yet (will do later when I have more time), but maybe it gives some info?

                 
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                  Sorry lost interest, if he drove like that on the road in similar conditions they should take his licence away. :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                   
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                    Not watched it yet, been too busy doing my Jan Verhaas impression...
                     
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                      Imho cheap is ok ish if your pottering about in the city . But if your motorway munching or live in the countrysiee then get the best you can afford.
                      Me? Im on Michelins. If i was going for winter tyres kumhos would be fine too.
                       
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                        Mr S and I called into National tyres today for a chat. We've decided on the Continental's but there's a big price difference in buying them over the counter other than online. Over the counter they are £173 per tyre, online £127 - either way they have to be ordered. So with no argument as to which way to go, we've ordered online and just waiting for confirmation. The only draw back is we won't have them before our mini break next week. Please don't let it snow. :doh:

                        Thanks all for your help. :dbgrtmb:
                         
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                          This is what I dont understand, that kind of price difference should be illegal.
                          Its not like they send them straight to you. you still go there and use their facilities to have them fitted.
                          I think trading standards should get a grip.
                           
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                            I'm rather ignorant on motoring info, but are you saying that you order them online and then they fit them for nothing? :scratch:

                            With buying tyres I tend to rely on our little local private firm. I've been going there for nearly 50 years (it's now the son running the business) and have always had good service. When I need new tyres he always asks me about what type of driving I do and then suggests a make.

                            I've just looked back on my invoices (tend to be a bit OCD on paperwork :noidea:) and have had three sets of tyres in close to 100,000 miles. Not full sets bought at one time but usually in two's where he sometimes swaps them onto different wheels. I've also had four replacement tyres because of punctures.

                            Admittedly, there's a biggish hit if buying more expensive tyres in one go but averaged over their life it's not too bad. Average life for my tyres is about four years.

                            Re paperwork:- I've still got the original invoice for the first car I bought brand new. :rolleyespink: It was when I left the merchant navy in 1965 - after a few years of having very little to spend money on when you're at sea most of the time. It was a Ford Anglia Super 123E with a 1200 engine and a Cortina GT gearbox (a bit of a story to that last bit). On the road price, after £50 discount for cash, was £525. :snorky:
                             
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