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Discussion in 'Trees' started by anth85, May 1, 2019.

  1. anth85

    anth85 Gardener

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    So I popped into dobbies garden centre on my way home, totally by accident, had to collect a missed parcel, saw a petrol station down the road so called in there and then saw the centre behind so thought it would be rude not too. Didn't buy anything because I was on my motorbike and the idea of fitting 5 bushes on the back didn't really appeal.

    So what they had in stock was a lot cheaper than I expected, not quite as tall as I'd have liked but much taller than what I currently have.

    So the choices the lovely lady suggested were

    Vinca Ralph Shugart for 9.99 - I think from google they have purple flowers which are my wife's worst colour so probably a no go
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    camellia mix for 14.99 - quite nice and on offer too, selection of sizes and prices, id probably go for the tallest they have
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    euonymus silver king for 34.99 - easily the tallest hence the price which I dont know if i can justify

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    ligustrum aureum for 9.99
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    carpinus betulus for 9.99
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    prunus laurocerasus for 9.99
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    Check your soil first anth85.....so a PH test. :) Very cheap and simple test that determines if your soil is acid, alkaline or neutral.
    If your soil is neutral to acid then camellias are a good choice. My soil here is neutral and grow several camellias here.
    Euonymus too is a good choice...easy and attractive foliage. So too is the ligustrum aureum, golden privet, and the prunus.
    Carpinus is deciduous though.
    Whatever you plant spend time getting some decent compost in there plus a general fertiliser.:)
     
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      I agree with Caroline. It's a lovely plant but can get very scraggy. When it's in bloom in June it also thickens up with leaf but then it drops at least 50% later in the year.

      This is when it's at its best
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      Silver King is a good choice but it doesn't grow very fast. You can be quite creative with a lot of different plants by training them on trellis. Whilst they're still growing you will at least have the trellis blocking part of the view.

      These aren't the best shots of our Silver King but I don't have the time to search through our photos at the moment. It gives you an idea of what you can do.

      We had laid a new patio and we decided to keep the silver king that was in a bed there. It was arched over as a shrub, so we decided to grow it upwards. We built the wall, kept some of the bed and put the trellis in what was left of the bed and then tied the king to it.

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      Each year we trained it on the trellis to fill in the gaps. Five years later we had been cutting it with a hedge cutter to keep it in shape. It has little whitish green flowers that the bees adore :blue thumb:

      It's just visible at the top of this picture
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      You could use trellis to start anything growing and train it up it. :)
       
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        Hi @anth85 the vinca would be no good unless you had a trellis for it, it's a creeper. I think the euonymus is a bit pricey for what it is. If your soil would do camellias, they sound a better deal.
         
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          ordered one of these for that purpose
          https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B077WX15NF/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

          At the minute we don't want to make a decision with looking at a couple of more places and I need to know the result of that test. But from those, we like the camellias and the prunus. We'd have to make a decision to whether we want them to be bushes where we could have alternating in a line, or whether we want all the same and cut them to a square hedge shape. My wife categorically doesn't want privets.
           
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          Camellia makes a good hedge anth85. Trimmed after flowering they will flower very well as a hedge. You could alternate colours too :)
           
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            Hi @anth85 , have you looked at Ceonothus ( Californian Lilac ) a lovely evergreen shrub with flowers from pale sky blue tbrough to dark blue. Quick growing but easily controlled and shaped.
             
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              Had a quick google image search and it’s brought up a lot of purple and lilac coloured flowers. I think a may have seen them in the garden centre but discounted them due to my wife’s rather weird hatred of all things purple.
               
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              My loyal friend the Meercats says. Szimbles! cut the cost and get the local council involved.
               
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              You can get blue ceanothus but all varieties of ceanothus have the possible problem of being short lived. They can live a long time but have a habit of suddenly dying. It's OK as a single specimen that can be replaced but I wouldn't chance it as a hedge.
               
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              First thoughts are that you could park in front instead of the driveway and remove the problem that way, also I think the plants are ericas (heather) which, if they were a tall variety, would take forever to grow bug enough and would still be a straggly mess.
              Why not plants a nice evergreen hedge (yew?) to screen everything and then take some or all the lawn and have the colour in that with a lovely green backdrop of the hedge?

              Whatever you choose to plant, don't do it so close to the wall as the footings will dry out the plant roots
               
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                Then anth85 would then be committed to permanently staying parked in the street to defend parking outside their house.

                An alternative would be to widen the driveway/crossover/dropped kerb, plus get the local highway authority to paint a line across the widened driveway.

                If it's widened just sufficiently to prevent 'large vans' being left with sufficient space outside, then that's problem solved.
                 
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                That normally needs planning permission. :noidea:
                 
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                Only if it's onto a classified road, the additional area of hardstanding is of non-porous construction, within the grounds of a listed building, requires removal of railings/gates over 1m high in a Conservation Area, or affects a protected tree.

                Otherwise It would only require a licence from the highway authority.


                P.S. I missed out 'intensification of use of an existing access' (serving additional properties/uses) as it's been a while since being involved in a scheme which involved that and didn't bother checking up on it as it appeared so unlikely to be the case here.

                EDIT1: PP May be required if the hardstanding extension takes the total area of your garden over the limit required when PP is needed for any further development.

                EDIT2: The are also areas of special consent where a housing developer has entered into a covenant with the Local Authority and permitted development rights have been removed from the housing development and owners will require special consent for various works in their gardens from the Local Authority.

                And I think there's one more where certain areas (can't remember the name) have been afforded greater protection than Conservation Areas, but owners are entitled to compensation for loss of permitted development rights.

                EDIT3: The above is where the property is subject to an Article 4 Direction.


                Think I've covered most instances now.
                 
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                  We widened our driveway onto a declassified road (used to be an A road until they diverted it) but had to apply to the planning department for permission to drop the additional parts of the kerb. It was easily granted but their building control people had to come and inspect what we were doing with the sub-surface and approve (or not) as well as inspecting the final job. The cost was minimal to the local authority but frustrating to us and the contractor because of making the appointments for the inspections.
                   
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