Sorry this isint a garden question Need some painting advice any painters???

Hi i am having my house painted on monday and the painter suggested to use johnsons opaque wood finish on my windows but i am not sure he said its like vanish and good as vanish and covers well
my windows are hard wood and i still think woodstain and vanish would be better as i am sure it would show the wood off
I have always used woodstain and varnish i dont know about this paint anyone used it ? Or maybe i should stay with vanish ? Can anyone help ?

 

I've not heard of the Johnsons wood finish @Janet mahay . Is this for use inside or out?

Inside there is no need to use a separate wood stain and varnish. I use Ronseal's colour varnish and have for years, it does the same job in one. It's also available in gloss or satin finish, I prefer the satin.

 

Hi thanks for your reply the paint i mentioned is for outside
I might be ok with it,
it says its a solvent based coating that prorects woodfrom rot whist offering a range of colour use on exterior fencing ,planed timber,softwood,timber,window frames,wood i yet IFelt uneasy so I texted the painter and told him to use only mohagany woodstain and vanish or 2 in 1 on the windows

 

I can't find anything about it being suitable for use on hardwood, but I did find an Amazon review descibing how it lifted the remains of previous decoration and the reviewer suggested it's only used on previously untreated surfaces.

Once you apply an opaque coating there's normally no going back to a clear/coloured varnish, so suggest phoning the manufacturer on 01924 354354 and requesting to speak with somebody who can provide technical advice on this product.

Advise them that it's for use on hardwood window frames and tell them how they've previously been treated. If they say it's OK, request they confirm that in an email. If any details are missing from that email I follow it up with an email of your own confirming that they (take a name of who you spoke with) have advised you that it's suitable for your intended use and incude all the details.

 

Hi thanks really helpful yes I sent an email this was their reply


Good morning , thank you for your email


The Johnstones opaque wood finish is very similar to a stain however, more opaque hence the name . This paint does have a sheen which is mid-range not as glossy as varnish . The paint is a very good finish and gives protection to the wood .


Its customer choice which product is use
To me that s not much of a answer but I not having that paint after all I am sticking to woodstain and varnish or 2 in 1
As you said if I use it I am stuck with it so thanks

 

So they didn't give any advice as to whether their product was suitable for use on hardwood, or on previously decorated surfaces, plus finished off by stating it's up to the customer to choose the correct product?

What a shoddy, inadequate reponse.

 

Hi,

You do not mention the brands of woodstain and varnish thats already on ?

Also whenever a new finish is applied the existing surface should be sanded to provide a good key for the new paint/varnish.

Doubt any manufacturer will give any info about applying their product onto unknown existing finishes short of returning to bare wood.

The only way to be sure is for your painter to do a small test piece to see if any adverse reaction occurs.

Are the painters folk you have used before and seem professional tradesmen that you can trust their judgement ?
Possibly they are thinking a single coat product is better/quicker/cheaper for all, than your two coat method ?

Either way, if you are paying them to do a job its your choice what finish to use.

Have used other Johnstones Trade Paints, which that wood finish is, and found they are really good lasting for years.

That said, our old parents house had hardwood frames and Sadolin was always the decorators #1 choice back then, though no idea if they are the same today.
Product categories Translucent timber protection | Sadolin

 

Hi,

Good question Janet but unfortunately a difficult one to answer because there are so many variables and this is possibly why Johnstone's couldn't give you the answer you were looking for.

If it's a stained finish then for years I've used Sikkens Cetol (Rosewood) which proved excellent;

Sikkens

We have some hardwood cladding and this is always treated with Cetol but for the doors and frames etc I used Johnstone's oil based gloss paint in very dark brown and this lasted well but about three years ago American Benjamin Moore paint became available here in the UK and I now prefer this; it's expensive but it's proved better than both Sikkens and Johnstones on our front bedroom window frame cill; whatever I applied to this the sun and rain destroyed it but the BM is still brilliant.

If it's a woodstain then both Sadolin and Sikkens are well respected but if you want really good paint protection in any colour of your choice I highly recommend Benjamin Moore.

Benjamin Moore UK

This picture shows the BM paint and it looks as good now as when I applied it; it's paint and not stain/varnish;



Sanding the existing finish is very important as ricky has already mentioned. It's your call because only you know the finish and colour you want and of course it's entirely your choice after all you're paying for it. Whatever you do don't skimp to save a bit of money; buy top brand and buy only once. Good luck.

 

The painter is what i used before
He painted my other house and did a good job and still look like it just been painted even it was painted 3 years ago
I texted him that i dont wont paint on the windows so he said no problems
He his going to wash, clean. and sand the windows before any varnish i and is putting on 2 coats on
Also nicky i think it was ronseal i used a few years ago yet it could have been sanolin i dont remember sorry
Thanks everyone for your replies