Roses From Cuttings

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  1. Freddy

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    Hello chums :)

    Aunt Sally went and stuck a rose cutting in a spud. Whilst I realise that one can take Rose cuttings for growing on, are they likely to replicate the parent plant when it comes to growth, given that when one normally buys a rose, it’s on rootstock?

    Cheers... Freddy
     
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      I’ve taken loads of rose cuttings over the years. It works really well and without exception they have behaved like the parent. I’ve found it works best to take hardwood cuttings at the end of the summer, place in a pot of sharp sand, leave them outside until spring; just forget about them and most will have rooted by March.

      Edit: If using this method of taking early autumn hardwood cuttings, they must be kept moist if the autumn weather is dry. Once winter weather sets in, you can forget about them.
       
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        Thanks for that :blue thumb: It does though beg the question, why do they bother with that grafting malarkey?
         
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          I’ve wondered that too!
           
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          Good morning @Freddy and @Redwing this is just one viewpoint not Woos by the way:smile:

          Virtually any rose you buy will be grafted on to a rootstock, so it’s easy to get the impression that roses need to be grafted, and that the sky will fall in if they are grown on their own roots. Nothing could be further from the truth.

          Roses are grafted to allow large numbers of plants to be propagated from a small amount of starting material, since every bud can produce a new bush. All that’s required is a rootstock, which can be propagated in unlimited numbers from seed or cuttings. In other words, grafting is for the rose grower’s convenience, not yours. Roses grow quite happily on their own roots, and they are usually more vigorous and longer-lived than grafted roses. Nor will you spend your time digging up unwanted suckers from the rootstock.

          Grafting: Advantages and Disadvantages
          Grafting allows gardeners to grow roses that display qualities of two different varieties of roses in one plant. This allows gardeners to create beautiful and unusual plants in their rose gardens. Gardeners can graft roses that may not normally survive in their climate, or roses that may be sensitive to modern diseases, onto the root stock of hardier bushes more likely to survive in that given area. In addition, gardeners may graft roses that sucker onto root stock not known for suckering to prevent this type of spread. Sometimes grafting can cause the spread of disease. If a cultivar has a disease unbeknown to the gardener, that disease may transfer to the root stock when the scion is grafted.



          Cutting: Advantages and Disadvantages
          Propagation by cutting allows gardeners to grow plants that are identical to the parent plant from which the cuttings originate. New plants grown from cuttings are faster to mature and flower than those germinated from seeds. The disadvantages of propagation by cuttings are minimal, but some types of roses do not grow easily from cuttings and are best propagated via bud grafting.
           
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            Thanks for that @wiseowl :thumbsup: I have to ask though, what’s your viewpoint?
             
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              Must say this is a really interesting thread and has given me some real insight into growing practices.
               
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                May I respectfully thank our Hon, Friend Woo. Having read the question. My tiny brain went into overdrive. Both of us have what it takes to be a Rosarian. I take second place on GC.

                Roses. Stop and think. For thousands of years this thorny plant has caught the eye of rich man, poor man even world powerful leaders. Why?

                So folks. Please share your thoughts, your likes or dislike concering the rose.
                 
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                  I am growing a Climbing Rose Ascending 'Crazy in Love' RED - can i teke a cutting from this? If so how? Its already blooming put it a few yards away from oak tree back of my garden but why do the blooms ( flowers) droop yet checked no insects and they seem healthy
                   
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                  See my post above. For hardwood rose cuttings, choose strong non-flowering shoots. Cuttings should be 8-12” long. Base of a cutting should be below a leaf node and top of cutting above a leaf joint. Using a hormone rooting compound probably helps but I’ve done without plenty of times. For roses I fill a medium size pot with damp sharp sand, which should be adequate for about six. You can add a little garden soil if you want. It really is pretty easy with roses. Good luck.
                   
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                    ...so for me it would be a medium size pot with damp garden soil!!:heehee:
                     
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                      Good morning @Mike Allen you certainly don't take second place we are all equal here your Rose knowledge is second to none as is your experience of life;):smile:


                      But with the greatest of respect @Mike Allen maybe you could see your way clear my friend of starting a new thread with concerning the above topic;):smile: Thank you
                       
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                      Good morning @Freddy my friend its probably because grafting is all I was trained to do,and I enjoyed doing it,but we were told that the Rose grows stronger and its a much faster method
                      when I was a small Owlett the local countryside was was full of wild Roses and that's what we used to use,a lot of the Rose growers are changing their method now @Freddy maybe I am out of touch ,I am with everything else:heehee:

                      But I will ask the question from the Rose growers I know and get back to you,enjoy your Sunday my friend:smile:
                       
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                        Just a Notice

                        It's not legal to propagate a patented plant for the first 17-20 years after it has been introduced.,But anybody is free to propagate older roses and rose varieties that are no longer under patent protection.So you should find out the history of a particular rose before taking cuttings and growing roses from cuttings.
                         
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                          @wiseowl Even if just for use in your own garden and not to sell? Who would know anyway, the rose propagation detectives? "Get the cuffs on this toerag Stan, he's been propagating roses!" :roflol:

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