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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Vindictive? I dont know the meaning of the word.:smile:

    My opinions will always be based on personal biased opinion, I think that's what is called errr,.. an opinion.:biggrin:

    Fact, well what are facts? these days, we only have what we are told.,
    And we have to make our own minds up as to what is true and what isn't .
    I think we are still allowed to do that ;)
     
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      Pulled out The paperwork. My panels are manufactured in the US. :)
       
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        I find her rather irritating but am nonetheless concerned for her mental health. I notice that no-one here seems to be addressing her claim about us being "in the beginning of a mass extinction". Sooo, has anyone here looked into the science and is she correct?

        I like posts like Lori's which inform me about what I can do on a personal level. I also want to turn half of my allotment into a wildlife garden, which will help in its own small way. That sort of thing appeals to me more. Environmental concerns on a global level just seem too abstract and overwhelming for me to consider, but at least I can do the little everyday things and try to do them well... :)

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        • roders

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          It appears that taking a look around the world she may be correct.
          It seems the science is pointing in that direction and that is what Greta is appealing to Scientist to do.
          Nikolaos you seem to be concerned as you are already taking small steps.
          Well done:smile:.
          Thank you for keeping the post alive:dbgrtmb:
           
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            I think on reading through this thread that we are all concerned and taking all the individual steps that we can......we all ' get it'.
             
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            • pete

              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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              Yeah we do all "get it" but from different angles.
              Off the subject of "Greta" and in general, my personal biased opinion,;) for a good many years has been, that there is a problem.

              It's just that I think climate change/ global warming, whatever you want to call it, is just a symptom of a much larger problem that is getting bigger each day.

              A person who made the mistake of going against the established ideas for a short while and paid the price.
              Best not to listen to all you hear.
              David Bellamy - Wikipedia
               
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                The fact that she had mental health issues before she started her campaign are well known. If her "how dare you" speech is watched closely, further issues can be seen. Look at footage of her leaving for Sweden a few weeks ago, and they are even more apparent. I dont see the reason that her parents have indulged her rather than taking care of her health. Could it be they are putting money first?

                Sorry, but I disagree with that. Yes, the climate is changing, but its not due to the reasons she states...and yes, I have looked into this. Its pointless pointing our facts though, because they wont be believed. As I pointed out in an earlier post, anyone that disagrees is called wrong, even if it is true!
                 
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                  As I said...

                  When one doesn’t like the message, make light of it, or better still, shoot the messenger.
                   
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                  • pete

                    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                    Its a messenger we dont actually need;)
                    There are loads of them out there all singing from the same hymn book.

                    All saying what needs to be done but none coming up with any real alternatives.
                     
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                      I believe as individuals we should all do our bit regarding recycling and try not to buy non-recycling wrapping products. In saying that it doesn't help when you see the Bin Men throwing it all together in their lorry.
                       
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                      • roders

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                        Some effects of global warming......:yikes:


                        Horrendous floods in Indonesia and even in Britain 2020. and pretty much all over the world.

                        Horrendous drought in Gambia 2020.

                        Australia is on fire.2020 and the Amazon rainforests.

                        The ice caps are disappearing.2020.

                        Coastlines eroding away.2020

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                        • Sandy Ground

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                          Fact 1: Around the year 100 AD, water levels were higher than they are today. Therefore, there would have been even more flooding.

                          Fact 2: Some species of plants in Australia need an anual fire in order to survive...proof that the fires have beeb happening on a regular basis for thousands of years.

                          Fact 4: 1000 years ago, Greenland was green (theres a clue in the name! :whistle:) The temperature was warm enough there to grow enough grain crops to support an estimated population of 220 to 250 thousand people.

                          Higher water levels in Facts 1 and temperatures in fact3 would also suggest smaller polar ice caps...
                           
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                            I think you need to check fact 1 “The last time the sea level was higher than today was during the Eemian, about 130,000 years ago”
                            I think you need to check fact 3 “The Medieval Climatic Anomaly“, not a global event. The majority of Greenland was and is still covered by the ice sheet, which is at least 400,000 years old.
                             
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                              Fact 1 is based on two things. First, around the year 100AD, ground to the south the village I now live in was part marsh, part lake. The marshland was still here pre WW1. That indo is from wye witness accounts. Secondly, place names near to where I used to live in the UK have viking origin, two of which refer to places they moored their longships. The waterway to these places has not been navigable in my lifetime, and another to get to it had ro be made navigable in the 1700's.

                              Fact 3 is based on archaeological evidence.
                               
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                                Fact 1 So from this local anecdotal evidence you extrapolate a global situation?
                                Fact 3 You have a link to this?
                                 
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