1. IMPORTANT - NEW & EXISTING MEMBERS

    E-MAIL SERVER ISSUES

    We are currently experiencing issues with our outgoing email server, therefore EXISTING members will not be getting any alert emails, and NEW/PROSPECTIVE members will not receive the email they need to confirm their account. This matter has been escalated, however the technician responsible is currently on annual leave.For assistance, in the first instance, please PM any/all of the admin team (if you can), alternatively please send an email to:

    [email protected]

    We will endeavour to help as quickly as we can.
    Dismiss Notice

When is top dressing not top dressing?

Discussion in 'Lawns' started by tim091, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. tim091

    tim091 Gardener

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2018
    Messages:
    79
    Gender:
    Male
    Ratings:
    +46
    Last autumn I did a full overhaul of my lawn, scarified, top dressed and overseeded. The large bag of top dressing I had delivered (after a bit of research) was a 70/30 finely sieved product that was not quite enough for my entire lawn so I had to go to a garden centre to buy a few bags to finish the job.

    The only product available was a Miracle Grow product called "Evergreen Lawn Dressing". This turned out to be sacks of wet compost full of bark, sticks and (unbelievably) stones, lots of stones, some as big as my thumb! Nowhere does it say what the sand ratio is and now it is spring the area that I used that on is just a mudbath.

    Now it is spring and I need a few more bags to level and patch so am looking at what is available. I am finding that none of the main brands state what the sand/soil ratio is.

    I decided that "westland Lawn and Turf Dressing" looked like it might do the job so I mailed the company to find out the ratio.

    I am astonished to report that they replied with (and I quote): "I am unable to give you the exact ratio as it is commercially sensitive".

    I have poor drainage and want to improve it, how can a customer do that if the company won't tell you what is in their product?!!
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Perki

      Perki Total Gardener

      Joined:
      Jun 2, 2017
      Messages:
      2,370
      Gender:
      Male
      Location:
      Lancashire
      Ratings:
      +8,488
      If you have poor drainage tim just use are very high ratio of sharp sand / top soil or just sharp sand. I make my own top dressing now with Top soil - Sharp sand and a bit of compost depending on what it needs.

      Bought top dressing is wayyyy over priced for what it is. One of the last bag I bought were full of bits of stones as well , no good for a cylinder mower.
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • Agree Agree x 1
      • tim091

        tim091 Gardener

        Joined:
        Sep 3, 2018
        Messages:
        79
        Gender:
        Male
        Ratings:
        +46
        Not a bad idea. I think I paid about £160 for the 900 litre bag I got last year. It was good stuff though.
         
      • Mike Allen

        Mike Allen Total Gardener

        Joined:
        Jan 4, 2014
        Messages:
        2,861
        Gender:
        Male
        Occupation:
        Retired. Plant Pathologist.
        Location:
        Eltham. SE. London
        Ratings:
        +6,097
        Oh dear!

        Forgive me please, no way do I wish to come over as the ever almighty lawn expert. I must add to my blog a few bits and bobs.

        Firstly. Your lawn. Do disrespects but, what is your lawn? Is it simply a grass area of your garden. Have you established it from a simple grass area to perhaps tennis court or the ultimum, bowling green. No my friend, I am not taking the proverbial. In short. What kind/standard of lawn do you want?
         
        • Friendly Friendly x 1
        • tim091

          tim091 Gardener

          Joined:
          Sep 3, 2018
          Messages:
          79
          Gender:
          Male
          Ratings:
          +46
          I would like a bowling green of course, and with some years of tlc I may be able to get a little closer to that ideal. The bottom line on that is that I can do nothing except mow it and I will have an okay lawn, or I can enjoy looking after it and definitely have a better looking lawn.

          But regardless, I think it is not unreasonable to expect suppliers of products to detail what the composition of the product is so that consumers can make an informed decision. It is particularly important with lawn dressing as if you have poor drainage (as I do) you want a product that is heavy on the sand, if not then you don't. You wouldn't buy fertiliser without knowing its NPK.
           
          • Agree Agree x 2
          • Like Like x 1
          • Informative Informative x 1
          • ARMANDII

            ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

            Joined:
            Jan 12, 2019
            Messages:
            48,096
            Gender:
            Male
            Ratings:
            +100,836
            I agee with you completely, tim:love30::thumbsup:, it is not unreasonable to expect suppliers of products to detail what the composition of the product to give you an idea if it fits your requirements and needs. It's happening in the Food retail area and other areas so why not in the gardening area.

            When you get to that level, tim, let me know and I'll come and have a game with you:heehee:

            I think, Mike, my friend, the short question above would have sufficed.:dunno::thumbsup::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
             
            • Like Like x 1
            • Perki

              Perki Total Gardener

              Joined:
              Jun 2, 2017
              Messages:
              2,370
              Gender:
              Male
              Location:
              Lancashire
              Ratings:
              +8,488
              Unless you have grass suitable to be cut as short as bowling grass you'll never have a bowling green lawn, You can over seed and with time have a much improved lawn. I am well in to my lawn but its so time consuming, I have to hand weed it to remove unwanted grass plus constant feeding ( I have a base grass of dwarf perennial rye grass greedy ) I have to feed more with cutting short the list goes on , so its expensive and time consuming and I have a quite small lawn.
               
              • Like Like x 1
              • Friendly Friendly x 1
              • tim091

                tim091 Gardener

                Joined:
                Sep 3, 2018
                Messages:
                79
                Gender:
                Male
                Ratings:
                +46
                I was being a bit flippant with the "bowling green" comment! I guess I mean that I aspire to having the best lawn I can. It has to deal with a child playing on it and summer bbq parties etc. so it has to be a hard-wearing grass mix. Currently I have been overseeding with a mix that is 50% Rye and 50% various Fescues. So, a fairly all-purpose mix that I can't cut very short.

                Whilst it is a time-consuming, and expensive, hobby I enjoy trying to make it the best it can be.
                 
                • Like Like x 3
                  Last edited: Feb 26, 2020
                • ARMANDII

                  ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

                  Joined:
                  Jan 12, 2019
                  Messages:
                  48,096
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  Ratings:
                  +100,836
                  May I be cheeky, (a rare thing for me), Perki? and point out the obvious....it would be a lot less expensive. time consuming, and stressful, if you, when it's sunny and dry, relaxed and spent some time sitting on the Patio while surveying your efforts in other areas of your well known lovely garden.

                  [​IMG]
                   
                  • Like Like x 2
                  • Funny Funny x 1
                  • ARMANDII

                    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

                    Joined:
                    Jan 12, 2019
                    Messages:
                    48,096
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    Ratings:
                    +100,836
                    Then, probably, and depending on the traffic on the lawn, tim, I would consider a lawn feed of lower content of Nitrogen than a Summer Feed. Photash and Phosphate will serve to make grass sturdier while the lower element of Nitrogen will keep it green while not making it soft and lush.:cat-kittyandsmiley:
                     
                    • Informative Informative x 1
                    • tim091

                      tim091 Gardener

                      Joined:
                      Sep 3, 2018
                      Messages:
                      79
                      Gender:
                      Male
                      Ratings:
                      +46
                      Thanks ArmandII. That's interesting. I gave it a winter feed after overseeding etc last autumn, which was obviously to get the roots going well. It is certainly very lush and dark green at the moment, and growing like crazy, I've already done one cut a few weeks ago as it was getting up to about six inches. I was planning a spring feed (which is high in nitrogen) and I'll be putting Mo Bactor on later as I need to keep the moss at bay, so maybe I'll skip the high nitrogen summer feed I had planned for June/July.
                       
                      • Friendly Friendly x 2
                      • ARMANDII

                        ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

                        Joined:
                        Jan 12, 2019
                        Messages:
                        48,096
                        Gender:
                        Male
                        Ratings:
                        +100,836
                        Well, that to me, tim, at this time of the year,points to over feeding and much too much Nitrogen:dunno::wallbanging: I confess, that I've been guilty of that regarding my front lawn and my eagle eyed neighbour remarked how dark and green it looked against my neighbours. I realised that I had been pursuing a perfect lawn and ended up with something that kind of looked unnatural and wouldn't take any "punishment" because it was too soft and lush. I think, at times, it might be beneficial to take a step back and rethink lawn feeding and realise grass is a tough customer, if left more alone, and has been around longer than Mankind has.:dunno::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
                         
                        • Like Like x 1
                        • Perki

                          Perki Total Gardener

                          Joined:
                          Jun 2, 2017
                          Messages:
                          2,370
                          Gender:
                          Male
                          Location:
                          Lancashire
                          Ratings:
                          +8,488
                          The problem when you sit down @ARMANDII and a dry sunny day you notice everything you haven't done
                           
                          • Friendly Friendly x 1
                          • tim091

                            tim091 Gardener

                            Joined:
                            Sep 3, 2018
                            Messages:
                            79
                            Gender:
                            Male
                            Ratings:
                            +46
                            Interesting. Moved in here in late summer 2018 and the lawn appeared very neglected. I didn't do anything to it until spring last year and it has responded well.

                            It has never occurred to me that too much nitrogen was a bad thing, but I can see the sense in strengthening the roots.
                             
                          • Perki

                            Perki Total Gardener

                            Joined:
                            Jun 2, 2017
                            Messages:
                            2,370
                            Gender:
                            Male
                            Location:
                            Lancashire
                            Ratings:
                            +8,488
                            To much of anything can be bad , to much nitrogen in winter damages the grass makes it to soft which can be damage by frost / cold weather . If you used a autumn feed you've probably over dosed like armadii said , autumn feeds are higher in Potassium & phosphates but still contain nitrogen , the dark green affect is from the Iron in the Autumn feed it should of killed the moss ? if it doesn't have iron in you've way overdosed , Iron used a strengthener for winter & moss killer and it will turn the grass a dark shade of green but the grass will barely grow unlike if you used a nitrogen feed.

                            If you don't mind me asking where about roughly are you in the country ? I normally start my Grass regiment mid March weather permitting.
                             
                            • Informative Informative x 1
                            Loading...

                            Share This Page

                            1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                              By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                              Dismiss Notice