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After Brexit - am I stupid or what?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by ARMANDII, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. Fat Controller

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    Somewhat ironically for the EU, and Barnier in particular, in their attempt to put the UK into a lose-lose situation, they have in fact painted themselves into a bit of a corner - and to be honest, this Internal Markets Bill is a touch of genius, especially given the timing, and bearing in mind that it won't be acted upon unless the EU breach international law first. The best bit of the whole thing is that if Boris and our team happily get back round the table with the EU (Barnier) now, then it proves that the EU assertion that we are not willing to negotiate is entirely untrue. If the EU (Barnier) refuses to negotiate, it proves entirely that the Internal Markets Bill was needed and the very reason why.

    Mr Barnier - checkmate - your move.
     
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      I laugh a lot when I see Mr Barnier, especially his face last week, when he realised Boris and his team are not the buffoons as portrayed by the Pro EU BBC, I liken it to the film lucky number slevin, where Boris has just pulled off a Kansas City Shuffle, would loved to of been a fly on the wall, demanding an urgent meeting to find out whats going on, wat iz going on Bowis chjohnson? Erb b b b you been screwed mr erh froggy
       
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        I have to admit that as important as it is I just cant seem to focus or care about Brexit anymore. We have a so much bigger issue to deal with at present. Lets get Covid 19 squared away, see how many of us are still alive and then worry about Brexit. Not that Im scared or anything.............much!
         
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          I guess covid is the main concern for people presently.
          (whilst keeping themselves employed or their businesses afloat)
          It takes a bit of the heat off Boris while all the brexit dirty deeds (good or bad) are shoved through.
           
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          Because many things continue to be of interest to some people even after they have passed - you can still have a good, thorough debate about whether particular governments or monarchs took the right courses of action centuries ago, or what you make of historical documents like the Magna Carta, for example - and because its interesting to learn more about them. I am interested in Armandii's points and I don't automatically lose that interest once a thing has ceased to be the issue of the day.
           
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            Totally agree.
             
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              Yes, I don't disagree with much of this. In fact I have written two articles this week drawing attention to some of what you say. However, I don't know what you mean by " Your quotes , are erratic, " and am afraid quite a lot of what you have written is very difficult to read due to the jumbled grammar. I don't think I or anyone else was being negative - in any case Armandii and I weren't so much debating the rights or wrongs of current government policy, but more engaging in a discussion about the concept of Parliamentary Sovereignty in and of its self. As others have pointed out, this is a somewhat arcane matter as the issue at stake has already been decided (though the potential for having to absorb more legislation from outside in the case of a No-deal / WTO Brexit stands), so any debates around it are theoretical and academic, rather than being positive or negative about current policy or the UK's current situation in the world.
               
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              My point was @SimonZ , you yourself had stated you had no interest in brexit since Covid has come along, but then spend lots of time / posts debating it.:biggrin:
               
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              @SimonZ where are your articles published? Can you point me to the site please?
               
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                Thing is, there is a hell of a lot of stuff being shoved through under the umbrella of Covid, so much so that folks are starting to get wise to it as well as quite cheesed off/vocal about it.
                 
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                • SimonZ

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                  The ones in question are for Uncancelled.co.uk They aren't on yet, but I have a couple on there already. Its a departure for me to be write topical pieces, as mostly I am a poet and aspiring nature writer.
                   
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                  Are you saying people are being mis-diagnosed, and deaths wrongly recorded as covid?
                   
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                  I suppose I'm interested in it as a general subject,or rather the relationship between the UK and the EU has always been somewhat interesting to me, but in the context of covid I see it as less significant. Mostly, what disturbs me is how much time and energy is being devoted to this particular aspect of it - squabbles over arcane aspects of trading laws - when a looming second wave of covid is approaching, as are the economic effects of the first.
                   
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                  • Fat Controller

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                    There is that fact, yes, but that was not what I was alluding to - more the number of other things that are being forced through such as LTN's, speed limit reductions, road restructuring (mostly for cycle lanes) and so on.
                     
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                      I'm sure you're right about the things being forced through, but I don't see how we can be sure about mis-diagnosis and deaths unless we have proof. Otherwise it is just a suspicion or allegation.
                       
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