Corona Virus Treatment

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  1. Fat Controller

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    Aye, and I am trying really hard to control that 90% at the moment. I'll be right - just struggling with the old black dog a bit and trying to work out what to do next. On the upside, I haven't yet ran away and hid, so I am still controlling it.
     
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      Are you offering up your services? :biggrin:
       
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        I agree, it’s a huge logistical exercise. I think we’ll have to cut the NHS a little slack in the months ahead and not expect too much too soon.
         
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          No they could not if they're anything like ours, because they would walk past you and when challenged still insist they had vaccinated you, attempt it but squirt it on the ground and walk off, ignore you claiming your arm wasn't held out correctly, or simply just not turn up but claim they did.
           
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            Sounds like we both have the same dustbinmen.
             
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              Yes @Jenny namaste that is a good suggestion.

              Whenever we get a vaccine, we are going to use the armed forces to administrate the distribition of it. Our General Hillier as already been named to head up the works. Think I'll nick name him general jab!
               
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                You spoke about flu numbers not Covid numbers @pete. I think it's plain to most of us that face masks will stop many people from catching flu this winter. If I didn't think masks worked for Covid then I for one wouldn't be wearing one where necessary.
                 
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                    I don't think I ever said that an Army/Navy/RAF Medic was not qualified or capable of carrying out injections, pete, what I said was that the number available would have no real effect and that we need many more people qualified to be able to do so.
                    It's not just injections that are the problem, although I'd like to know that the person giving the injections had had the proper training, but the local safe storing and organising/keeping records the first injection and then making sure that there's a successful follow through with the second, which again needs the same safe storing, etc.
                     
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                      The mention of service medics, qualifications etc. Back in the days of the IRA bombings etc. I worked at the Royal Herbert Hosp, home or 12 Coy RAMC. From what I witnessed IMO at times they were far ahead of the NHS.
                       
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                        I am still very sceptical about this new Pfizer vaccine though the trials allegedly have been successful. I need a detailed report to be sure that the vaccine is safe. The information reported by BBC NEWS has not convinced me that it is safe. Screenshot_20201202_232431_com.android.chrome.jpg Screenshot_20201202_232543_com.android.chrome.jpg
                        Even the numbers of volunteers in trials is very confusing! 40 thousand or 400 thousand. And no details at all.
                         
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                        Black Orchid.. Might I respectfully ask, why from your post. You need to know. Forgive me please, but the tone of your post, yes is IMO very valuable. However, might I ask. Are you an academic or of the realms of science.

                        For mankind in general, this pandemic has changed our lives so much. I can well imagine that across the world, much, often adverse critism of the rulin powers have come under fire. Now. By whatever means a vacciine has come forth. Akind of life-rafr. Now questions are arising, the if's an buts. So. OK I am one of the oldies. Truthfully, regardless of age creed or gender. Life is sweet. So why now are folk questionin the viability of this and other vaccines. I honestly hope and pray that this age segregation will soon pass.. My daughter is disabled and has so many health problems. I hope soon GP's etc will include such ones.
                         
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                          Mike, unfortunately my scepticism is based on my experience with NHS when most of my health troubles started about 12 years ago. My GP could not diagnose a leg ulcer and I was prescribed 4 causes of very strong antibiotics during one month. When I asked about possible side effects and if I should take anything else together with antibiotics to reduce any side effects (I knew that in other countries such medication accompanies antibiotics) I was assured that our antibiotics were so good that nothing else should be taken with them. So I think those antibiotics completely ruined my immune system. By the way nowadays the attitude towards antibiotics have dramatically changed and they are much less prescribed. Then when at last a month later I got an appointment in hospital with a specialist he confirmed that antibiotics are useless in curing leg ulcers.
                          When my husband was prescribed wafarin after a hip replacement operation he was told to take wafarin every 4 hours. But then it appeared that he was supposed to sleep for 8 hours and not to take it at night. In reality he was taking overdose of
                          wafarin because the specialist assumed that it was clear that a person should sleep at night and not to take medication. By the way his specialist didn't allow me to accompany my husband to his appointments because I asked too many questions. A month later my husband died and I still believe that wafarin was one of the reasons of his death.
                          I could continue with more examples from my bad experience why now I do not immediately trust any medication. Life is too precious to believe everything medical experts tell you to do.
                          So before I decide that I should be vaccinated I need to read a detailed report confirming its safety.
                           
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                            A Telegraph report suggests 2.5 million will vaccinated be vaccinated by the end of December. If they start on Monday as allowed, thats over a period of 24 days, a rate of 104,167/day.

                            There are 13,290,000 over 65's (2019 stats) in the UK, plus 1,400,000 NHS workers, plus ? care workers, plus ? vulnerable under 65's, so it at the above rate it will take a further 16.7 weeks [(14.69M-2.5M)÷104,167÷7] to vaccinate them all.

                            Then therer's a further 7 weeks before the last to be vaccinated reach full immunity, so the firstv 23.7 weeks of 2021 for all over 65's, nhs/care workers, etc. for them to acheive full immunity by 12th June 2021.

                            18 - 65's would take another [ (40.27M-1.4M workers)÷104,167÷7] 53.3 weeks :yikes: from the above date to achieve immunity by late June 2022.

                            That's a total of one year and seven months. If vaccinations need to be done every 12 months like flu jabs, this is going to be a never ending exercise.

                            Obviously things might speed up when the care home residents and housebound elderly are all vaccinated then mass vaccinations can begin, but 2.5M in a month needs to be improved upon just to get everybody over 18 vaccinated by the end of 2021, bearing in mind that 2.5M in Dec will include loads of NHS workers who should be amongst the easiest to vaccinate.

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                            (All 1.4 million NHS workers included regardless of role to allow for unknown amount of care workers and vulnerable under 65's)
                             
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