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Elections On Thursday

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by shiney, May 4, 2021.

  1. shiney

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    One of our local big town Councils, Harlow, has gone Conservative for the first time in Donkeys' years. :rolleyespink: Their MP has been Conservative for a long time but the Town Council has been almost exclusively Labour for most of it's 70 years :scratch:

    Hartlepool has also gone Conservative for the first time since the sixties. They got double the votes of Labour and even the Monster Raving Loony Party beat two other candidates - Freedom Alliance and Social Democrats! :heehee:
     
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      Counting is taking longer due to covid.
      Latest victim of covid, it's the excuse for all things these days.
       
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        If our local town councillors were up for election, then Labour would of been wiped out. The council approved and backed plans to open up a new coking mine, they have now withdrawn their approval. Social media has lit up with the locals stating, we will remember this come the next elections.
         
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          We are getting an awful lot of coverage on TV about Wales and Scotland, not so much about N. Ireland and a lot about Hartlepool :rolleyespink:.

          Is this because Wales,N. Ireland and Scotland have their own government's while England doesn't ?

          Seems to be lots of animosity against Westminster even in the North of England there seems to be this feeling.
          I think it's about time us down South start pointing out that we don't think Westminster represents us either.
          But the government has to be somewhere and most countries have it in their capital city.
           
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            The reason being, our constituency MP is Tory, yet our councils are Labour. So we have a coking mine that has been given approval, both from central and local government. Then our local council who are on the ground locally pull the approval undermining central government, hence the animosity.
             
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              Hi, @gks ,my comments weren't necessarily referring to your post, it was just a general comment based on the TV coverage.
               
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                I have been a councillor for our local parish for nearly 5 years, I am actually standing chairman. In all those years not one person from the community has ever attended a meeting. Even when I have attended local town council meetings, the locals are few in attendance. I don't just listen to what is being said but i watch carefully too, most of the times both languages don't marry up.
                 
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                  Hi Pete, I know, just bitter with politicians not always standing up for the local community and trying to put one over on the opposition.
                   
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                    So are you saying that the locals are not really interested in local government.
                     
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                    There is a lot of bitterness in Wales and Scotland as they were less decisive about Brexit than England was. Scottish folks in particular hate the Tories with a passion, and given that a lot of that hatred is borne out of the devastation to the mining villages by Maggie, I suspect that Wales is the same. If Labour were stronger and I mean properly strong like they used to be the SNP wouldn't get a look in, but Labour have gone down a path of hatred, division, race-bating and mud-slinging whilst at the same time chasing votes from champagne socialists and completely abandoning the working class person in the street.
                    They've spent the past five or so years calling Leave voters thick/stupid, Nazi, xenophobic, racist, bigoted and pretty much every other 'ist' or 'phobic' you can think of - - and yet again are sat wondering why they got handed their backside at the polls.

                    You are also correct about Westminster, and the voting in England - that is the one and only time I will agree with Corbyn as he said yesterday that the low turnout in England shows that people were not being offered what they wanted (or words to that effect); I didn't vote, because there was nobody worth voting for and/or none of them bothered to tell us who they were and what they were about.

                    For far too many years, we've all been giving the choice of who is the least worst - - folks trying to win purely on the basis that 'vote for me because he is worse' and not 'vote for me because I am the best and will do x, y or z'

                    Imagine if someone started a new party, today, and built their strategy up toward the next elections with policies like:

                    - Building decent homes, mostly for rent but that folks can also be assisted to buy and not just a claim to try and push developers into building them but an all out program on a scale similar to post WWII.

                    - Refurbishing or building schools to have class numbers at manageable levels and have those schools teach actual life skills again (cooking, hygiene, budgeting, gardening, road safety) in addition to the other subjects

                    - Reform the NHS to take it back to providing care more locally (more GP's, smaller community hospitals that can deal with vaccinations, minor injuries etc and make a lot of those services nurse-led; stop paying for non-essential operations and charge for treatment for anyone not a UK resident.

                    - Program of improving all roads/streets, including pavements suitable for infirm/disabled people, vastly improved street lighting, quality road surfaces, cycle lanes where possible

                    - Vastly improve public transport services; accept that they are never going to be a profit making business at the same time as providing the service levels needed to encourage people to use them

                    - Reform pensions and benefits to bring them to a level where they are suitable for folks to live on and not an insult. Offset the costs of doing so by drastically improving healthcare (and in particular social care)


                    Now, would you vote for that against the current crop?
                     
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                      Like the pun :biggrin:
                       
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                        No, they are interested but we seem to do it through social media, that's when they make their feelings known. The lack of interest in meetings is very concerning which shows in poor turn outs at open meetings. We only have a small budget to improve things within our parish, I so much would prefer that the local community gave us their input at the meetings. We have issues that they raise, but they never seem to want to get involved in solutions. I and a very few others are giving up our free time for the community.
                         
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                          Part of the lethargy comes from decades of being let down - not at parish level, but at district, county and country level.
                           
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                            They could start with putting a cap on land costs with planning permission. The local farmer sold four plots that had planning permission £125k per plot, the four plots combined were not even one acre. Yet agriculture land round me is going for anywhere from 5k to 20k per acre pending size and location of the land.
                             
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                              Yes, the elections in Scotland and Wales are more important as they are voting for their nation assemblies. Hartlepool is the only place in England where an MP is being elected.
                               
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