After Brexit - am I stupid or what?

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  1. Jiffy

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    A lot of farmers are happy with just moving along slowly and just sell to a middle man as they don't want to do with all the reg's of selling to the public, so they will moan at the low prices but don't want to do any more than it's need be, then you have the farmers that will go for gold, they are good farmers and bad one's,I will buy from good ones that do it proberly and not bend/break the laws doing it, so you have to look behind the scenes to see them, if you know what to look for,

    All so some farmer are losing calves and money, why, well when they sell/send cow's to the abattoir there is lots of cow's which are in calf
     
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      Reuters appear to think that the UK is in the EU. Don't they read the news?

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        The EU pride themselves on free movement, well I think continental HGV operators and drivers will dispute that.

        Last year the new EU directive came into force called the "Mobility package" eastern Europeans call it the "Macron package". It is law that was to improve the conditions for HGV drivers and reduce the risk of unfair competition of road freight.

        Some of the rules I agreed with, one in particular I don't. The rule in question it the 45 hour break away from a truck. Most drivers if they are driving in their country would either return to their home address, which their operator would organise or plan and book a hotel or any other type of accommodation if your at the other end of the country, staying in your truck would be prohibited. But if your abroad, then going home might not always been an option, so staying in a hotel should by law be ok, wrong. You have to, either go back to the country of your residence or where the truck is registered, or nip across the border to carry out your 45 hour break, having a 45 hour break in the country that you have been hauling goods but are not resident doesn't qualify, madness.

        No wonder it's going to be challenged in the EU courts.

        Member states take action before EU court against first Mobility Package – EURACTIV.com
         
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          Wow, that is nuts! I can understand the 45 hours away from the truck rule, but to rule that out if not in your country of residence/registration is utterly insane. Is that what the Spanish truckers were kicking off about a couple of months back?
           
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          I think that was more to do with brexit and not having the correct paperwork. The trouble is with this new directive, is it puts the eastern bloc countries at a disadvantage due to distance they have to return, which will result in more empty trucks returning to point of residence/registration. The report suggests this new law could increase CO2 emissions by 3 million tons.
           
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          Am I missing something?
          How long can they drive before they have to take the 45hr break?
           
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          It can be complicated. The main rule is you are only allowed to drive 90 hours in a 2 week period, but you can drive a maximum of 56 hours in one week, if you have then you must take your full 45hr rest period. If your doing 45hrs driving per week, then you must take a 45hr break fortnightly. However, you are allowed to take 2 short periods of 24 hours in a 2 week period, at the end of the third you must then do your 45hr statuary break. Basically your rest periods depend on what your work schedule was the week before.

          Its been even more difficult during this pandemic as they extended driving hours for HGV drivers if your moving essential goods. Drivers could drive 99 hours in a 2 week period, but only if your moving essential goods.

          I have done my transport manager coarse and if you get it wrong and your pulled by VOSA, then the traffic commissioners can come down very hard on you.

          To many regs now in the industry, then they wonder why we have a chronic shortage of drivers, think the average age of a HGV driver in the UK is 53.
           
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            Well I can see why the regs were brought in, but do they have to be that complicated?:rolleyespink:
             
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                That's why i packed up, love driving but now driving is moo poo and not just the reg's
                 
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                  Mackers will be fuming...

                  The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development says the UK is likely to grow 7.2% in 2021, up from its March projection of 5.1%.

                  The UK's growth is set to be the fastest among the large rich countries, the OECD says.
                   
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                    That's awesome @clanless
                    I am really happy UK is getting back on their feet. Sadly there is another side to the medal. Since UK previously took one of the hardest hits in 300 years (the guardian) this is barely enough to get them back to pre-pandemic levels (which is true for almost every country world wide).

                    So all in all most countries stand pretty even (Edit: Link might be broken, so picture from Wikipedia it is...), and besides the almighty China (sarcasm because they clean up their numbers) there are no winners in the pandemic besides the billionaires.

                    Sorry i couldnt find a global chart :/
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                      There is one significant thing that the chart will not show however @clanless - the UK is the only one out of all of them that has had the EU deliberately playing silly beggars with a border right up the middle of their country. Can you imagine the uproar if the EU stopped goods moving between Berlin and Dusseldorf? That is before we come to the vindictive behaviour of the EU in relation to Covid vaccines - behaviour that led one vaccine manufacturer to withdraw from talks with the EU and state that they won't be doing business with the EU as it is more hassle than it is worth.

                      Hell, even the Swiss have just chucked talks with the EU because their attitude stinks.
                       
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                        Well if I remember correctly UK wanted to have control over their own borders. At the same time the good Friday treaty forbids having a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. So what other choice was there really?

                        There WAS a border between Berlin and Düsseldorf. But then the reunion of Eastern and Western Germany happened as both sides decided that being together was a good thing. Same "might" happen on the Irish Isle.

                        Vindictive behaviour regarding vaccines? As far es I remember there where big talks of solidarity for vaccine distribution. The EU delivered a lot of doses to UK but not a single one came back. Why should they continue to feed the nationalists who used that to further their own standing and gave nothing that was promised in return?

                        And regarding the Swiss - a lot of people on both sides are in shock. It happend without warning and the people had no say in it. But it is too early to say what the real reason was and how it will turn out.
                         
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                        Did you miss the EU breaching the agreement a few months ago? What right does the EU have to stop goods passing within a country - a country that is not part of the EU?

                        The EU didn't deliver anything to the UK. The EU manufacture nothing, they make no profit - they are a government without a country. They take your tax money and then spend it. The vaccine companies delivered their product to the UK from factories within the EU in the same was VW will produce a car and sell it here.

                        As for the Swiss, anyone that is shocked perhaps needs to read something other than EU propaganda as a blind man on a dark night could see that one coming.
                         
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