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Dairy Products and Cancer

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by ricky101, Jul 18, 2021.

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    Hi,

    The GP of a friend with cancer suggested, in addition to the hospital treatment, they avoid Dairy products on the basis that mothers milk contains growth hormones, which natually is not what you want to feed the cancer with, which does sound reasonable to them and us.

    However once home, they could find little on the subject, so said we would post here to see if anyone can offer any info about it ?

    What we all also wondered was would the pasturising of milk or the process of making butter and cheese remove or render inactive those growth hormones ?
    Similarly one would assume avoiding eggs on a similar basis ?

    Our friend is responding well to the hospital treatment :smile:
     
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      @ricky101

      I hope your friend recovers quickly :blue thumb:

      As it happens, we had a nutritionist friend here yesterday and he was talking about this very subject. He said there is some evidence that cow's milk is not good for you, particularly if you have cancer. He always recommends people to keep away from cow dairy products and mentioned milk, butter and cheese but didn't say anything about eggs - I didn't ask :noidea:.

      He also said that goat's milk and cheese is a lot better but to limit the intake.

      There are non-animal 'milks' that can be used instead (they brought in a recent law against naming non-animal milks as 'milk'). I still use cow's milk but Mrs Shiney stopped using it years ago as it tends to give her catarrh problems and she uses Oat milk (now labelled Oat drink). I've seen one make labelled Oat M*lk :heehee:

      In view of having cancer I would be inclined to do without as much dairy product as possible - just in case. :smile:
       
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        This is an interesting topic which sadly will be relevent to far too many of us as time goes by.
        We use oat milk in cereal's which is fine, but it doesn't taste so well in tea.
        I've not found a good substitute for drinks as yet, other than switching to green tea.
         
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          Sounds like there is some truth in it then, but like many such things it something that science has yet to clealry prove.

          However as we said to our friend for the small changes to their diet, it would seem to be better play safe, possibly generally healthier ie. less fat.
          Looking at the supermarket shelves yesterday seems there is a big range of Free From / non diary product these days.
           
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            Have you tried goat's milk? From what he said, it's well over 50% less of a problem.
             
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              I wonder where the growth hormones are coming from as i thought that grow hormones were only used for (meat) beef and pigs and then the feed must with growth hormones had to stop 28 days before animals sold for humans to eat if not banned completey in uk
              don't think growth hormones are or were every used in cow for milk unless there is a few breaking the rules
               
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                As for injecting steroids / hormones into cattle, yes it makes you wonder what kind of effect that is having on humans, could it be one of the reasons for the increase in so many problems like cancer ??

                Equally what are the chances of them stopping using the hormones 28 days before slaughter, partic those countries we import from where there are little checks or simply do not believe its a problem like the US.

                Expect one day they will have an answer, but sure it will be long after most of us have gone !
                 
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                  Usally you need a certifcate from the vet to get things added to cattle feed, even jabing milking cows with antibiotics you have to keep the milk out of the tank (not for humans to drink) but i know sometimes people forget and in it goes, but now the testing for things is very tight as people hate paying for 38000 litres of milk to go down the drain ;)
                   
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                    We'll give that a try ;)
                     
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                    I think you can't cheat life...

                    Red meat gives you cancer
                    Sausages give you cancer
                    Milk gives you cancer
                    Grilling and searing gives you cancer
                    Fat gives you cancer
                    Alcohol damages everything
                    Pesticides give you cancer
                    Wild veggies give you parasites
                    Copper and aluminium make you ill
                    Sunshine gives you cancer
                    Plastic gives you cancer
                    ...
                    The list goes on and on

                    Better steam everything into nutritional paste and slurp it while sitting in a bunker. /Rant


                    Interesting study though. Guess it has a lot to do with what they do to the cows before taking their milk. But injecting hormones into food never was a good idea to begin with...
                     
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                      I'll stick to beer n wine and homegrown veg then.
                      I like red meat but you don't need to put half a steer on the plate like the yanks do.
                      Just a couple of slices with plenty of veg and a rich gravy.
                       
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                        If you cook it properly surely any hormones are killed.
                        If you "cook" it like a TV chef would, you could end up with all manner of things, Tape worms included.:roflol:
                         
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                          Nice one Pete, I hope no ones eating their dinner:yikes:
                           
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                            Wished I'd seen this earlier,
                            We were advised to give mum plenty of rich cream products adding a flavouring to rich cream to give as a desert, add butter and cheese to her meals etc. Infact everything she maybe shouldn't have. Even though only eating the odd teaspoon of whatever we gave her,so maybe wouldn't have made any diffdifference
                             
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                              In the 90s when I had cancer and was on chemotherapy I was advised to have full fat milk and cream to help maintain my weight. I always have had full fat milk and personally I was all in favour of porridge with cream for breakfast.
                              As for hormones they are unlikely to breakdown on cooking.
                              Some plants contain phytoestrogens that can mimic some female hormones and these have been recommended for reducing symptoms of the menopause and are available as supplements. The whole area is a little murky and there are studies saying yes and others saying no.
                               
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