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After Brexit - am I stupid or what?

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  1. Victoria

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    1. It would have cost twice or more in postage.
    2. He used a shipping agent who does the Customs & Duty for you, Algarve Removals is based in Malden, Essex. You have stuff sent to them and once a week the truck comes here based 20 minutes from us.
     
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      Has that got any thing to do with Brexit then?
      Surely if was sent from NI to Portugal it would have remained within the EU?
       
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      I guess it is still a little bit easier so send wares from Northern Ireland to England than from Portugal.

      Ware exchange between NI and the EU has picked up by 60%, whereas the imports to the rest of the UK dropped by 20-something percent
       
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      No quite sure what you are saying there.:smile:
      Do you mean easier to send to England than to Portugal, from N.I.?

      I assume exchanges between N.I. and the E.U. would pick up bearing in mind that N.I. is still basically in the E.U.
       
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      NI has bought more from RoI and less from GB - because of the red tape generated by the NI Protocol. It sticks in the throat of the Unionists as this is eroding the business connections NI has with the GB - I'd have to agree.

      Plaid Cymru want Wales to go for independence - there is no support at all for such a ridiculous notion - we're staying in the UK family of nations.
       
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        My thoughts on NI are that the EU and Biden want a united Ireland.
        And the EU are using Brexit to bring this about.
        Hence they continue to not negotiate a proper sensible settlement.
         
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          It seems fairly clear to me that the EU are trying to punish the UK - via the NI protocol. The GFA trumps the EU FTA - once the EU understand that this is the case - things will move forward.

          I think the USA are supportive of the GFA - you've heard what Nancy has said - I'm not entirely sure about Joe's capabilities - I think his 2nd in command in running the country.
           
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          I am getting confused now. NI is in Europe but not the European Union?
           
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            Northern Ireland is being held captive by the EU, and was not allowed to leave, as we did.
            The EU used the fact that the land border between them and the Irish Republic must remain open.
            So effectively the EU has put a border in the Irish sea and Boris went long with it.
            The understanding was that it could be renegotiated at a later date, but now the EU are not going to budge.
            That's how I see it from this side of the channel, anyway.
             
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              Okaaaay, but Algarve Removals deal with the Customs issues. :biggrin:
               
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                When I've bought stuff from abroad you just pay the delivery people if there is any customs duty to pay, I've found, since we left the EU, we dont actually pay duty on things from other parts of the world now.
                 
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                  First of all, it wasn't the EU proposing this. It was Theresa May, and after she was gone Boris Johnson and David Frost picked it up and signed it themselves, then sold it as the biggest, bestest treaty ever.

                  The problem is, there currently are three conflicting laws/agreements in place that collide:

                  1. The Good Friday Agreement from 1998 saying there can't be a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. This is to keep the truce.

                  2. Brexiteers wanting to "take back control" and therefore implementing their own rules and laws in lots of different field.

                  3. EU law that says "movement of wares is only tax free if it's between member states and all imported wares have to meet the same standards that are present within the EU"

                  This wasn't done out of spite by the EU as is so often implied. It's simply based on three laws, and each and every one of them was made with the full participation and blessing of the UK (EU law can only be changed if all member states aggree)
                   
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                    Only question I would ask is would Brexit have happened if we hadn't given in to the EU law ,regarding movement of goods , not being relaxed .

                    Britain has laws as well, and I believe our laws should be considered as important as EU law.
                    The EU are known around the world to be very difficult to negotiate with.

                    They have used the NI problem all along to hold things up and are still doing it, is it any wonder it's looked upon in this way over here.
                     
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                      Well seeing that the EU consists of 27 nations that mostly agree on the laws, I would say "yes" - they are at least as important as the laws of a single country. But if we consider them even, there can't be an agreement unless both sides agree.

                      And the EU is supposed to be difficult when it comes to bargaining. That is one of the main reasons the EU exists. To give a counterweight to countries like the US, Russia, China or South American states. Otherwise they will dictate their terms and forge different agreements with different states. In the past this didn't work out very well for small nations. And more recently you can see the effects of Chinese extortionist deals all over the world.
                       
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