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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    They are not 100% efficient by any means, they really don't distribute the heat around the room and again they have stoneage thermostats.
     
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    They convert 100% of the energy consumed into heat - now that does not mean that they distribute the heat, but in the technical terms that the sort of folks foisting this garbage on us live by, they are 100% efficient.

    Therein lies the problem with all of this - efficiency does not mean that it is actually fit for purpose, or affordable/cost effective.
     
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      One word - cost.

      The good old bi-metallic strip with its length adjusted by a rotary control is as cheap as chips to make in bulk.
       
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        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        And should be reserved for doing the ironing.:biggrin:
         
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          Which is also one of the main reasons the kettle is so often overlooked when looking at energy efficiency. We're all told to only boil as much water as we need. Trouble is, the water is often boiling for quite a few seconds before the bimetallic strip catches up and switches it off. I googled for an energy efficient kettle and as far I can tell, even the really expensive ones use the same principle. If you drink as much tea as we do it does make a difference.

          Our electric steam cooker is even worse. It's more energy efficient than cooking on the hob, but there are still savings to be made with a slight design amendment. Ours is either on or off. But water won't ever get hotter than 100 degrees no matter how much energy you put in (except under pressure that is). I've often thought if there was a thermostat in the lid, it could cut the power to the heating element at 100 degrees, and then you'd use exactly as much energy as needed to create the steam, and no more. But I guess that would add to the cost of the unit.

          I think most things are designed with the law of diminishing returns in mind. When electricity is cheap, it makes no sense to add a few quid to the cost of an appliance just to squeeze a tiny bit more efficiency out of. Maybe all that will eventually change if high energy prices are here to stay.
           
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          Possibly, but the vast majority of consumers do not have any awareness of how appliances work to be able to figure out that there is energy being wasted - - the majority, however, are concerned with the price of the unit itself and if it does what they want it to do. Such is the lack of knowledge/care that a hell of a lot of folks don't even factor in longevity into their purchasing decision, that is why almost everything nowadays is made of pure Chineseium nowadays.

          The next thing that is going to hit us will be when once power suppliers start measuring apparent power as opposed to current draw - all of these items with poor power factors (often with the el-cheapo capacitive dropper power supplies) will suddenly cost three times the amount to run....

          The blunt truth is that increasing generating capacity would have the effect of reducing or at least holding energy prices (with the effect that they fall back in comparison to incomes) - simple supply and demand. We ditched too much of our capacity way too early.
           
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            As per my earlier point, that we outsourced it all to mostly international foreign companies. They have no real incentive to invest in UK energy self sufficiency.
             
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