Now I'm mad.

I don't see them as sub-human though I agree there may not be much intelligence there.

I don't see it as totally inadequate, failed in this instance yes (apparently) but totally inadequate no. Capital punishment is a last resort and a blunt instrument at best. You kill someone that's it end of story. Far harder but better in the long term is to turn that person around and make them better. I believe that people can change (if they want to) and should be given that opportunity if they don't take it and continue to be a problem then killing may be the only option availible (assuming that you can't viably lock them up for life)

 

Sadly not something we can do for the british born yobbs and lets face it there's far more of them than there are imigrants!Hel.xxx.


Debatable but milatary style labour camps would also workfor yobs and would generate an income rather than costing us like conventional prison.

 

Just to put my views in again. There is no easy solution. I think prison should be something to be ashamed and afraid of. How many think like that these days?

Make prison a horrible place. I think a couple of months in near isolation with no 'priviliges' would be worse than 5 years getting used to prison life with tvs, computers etc. Then help the people that are there through circumstance. Not the b*******s that are there cos they are s*** people. What to do with them? Well as i said lets make it unacceptable. Don't say nothing, say everything against these.

All the above is wishful thinking. I don't like this country much but will defend it. I don't know how to change things now.

Feeling fed up now, at least we can express our views. Have a good day everyone, try not to get too worked up.

cheers

 

haha a designer decapitator!!

 

T L A said.I don't see it as totally inadequate, failed in this instance yes (apparently) but totally inadequate no. Capital punishment is a last resort and a blunt instrument at best. You kill someone that's it end of story. Far harder but better in the long term is to turn that person around and make them better. I believe that people can change (if they want to) and should be given that opportunity if they don't take it and continue to be a problem then killing may be the only option availible (assuming that you can't viably lock them up for life)
T L A at the moment it fails in all instances sentencing is totally inadequate.
You believe that "people can change and should be given the opportunity" try telling the relatives of some of the people who's kin have been murdered by murders who have just been released only to commit the same crime.
"Killing may be the only option" agree with you there.
Last week one member of a gang that murdered a girl by kicking her to death was actually grinning after being senteced to life(whatever that means these days) he said most of his mates were in jail anyway
he didn't care.

 

I don't really see that (I assume that we are talking about all cases and not just this one) I prefer a justice system that is occasionally too lenient than occasionally too harsh.

If they are released and commit the same crime then that is a failing of rehabilitation but not of the overall requirement of it. I would not expect the victims relatives to see this as a good option as it would be a very emotive thing for them. But if you could stop those people from committing crime then surely that is the best thing?

Yes I saw that and felt very sorry for someone who has such little emtional conection with his crime. Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for the girl too that she had to lose her life insuch tragic circumstances. Maybe the lad was unrepentant and then surely the best thing would be to change that so that he could learn and repay the damage he has caused?

 

I don't really see that (I assume that we are talking about all cases and not just this one) I prefer a justice system that is occasionally too lenient than occasionally too harsh.

If they are released and commit the same crime then that is a failing of rehabilitation but not of the overall requirement of it. I would not expect the victims relatives to see this as a good option as it would be a very emotive thing for them. But if you could stop those people from committing crime then surely that is the best thing?

Yes I saw that and felt very sorry for someone who has such little emtional conection with his crime. Don't get me wrong I feel sorry for the girl too that she had to lose her life insuch tragic circumstances. Maybe the lad was unrepentant and then surely the best thing would be to change that so that he could learn and repay the damage he has caused? </font>[/quote]TLA, it strikes me that it is thinking like that, that got us into this mess in the first place.
We need to bring back respect, but there are lot out there that have passed the point of no return.
A few examples made, would really help with their rehabilitation.

 

Maybe the lad was unrepentant and then surely the best thing would be to change that so that he could learn and repay the damage he has caused?
TLA how can someone 'repay the damage he has caused'? he killed an innocent girl.!!!

 

T L A everyone is entitled to an oppinion and I think you are talking a load of cods wallop as there are ladies on this site I will keep my language clean and bow out of this debate.

 

I appreciate the debate walnut
I am not advocating an easy option but if you are going to lock someone up for a crime then you should do your best to rehabilitate them. I agree that respect has been lost somewhat, that's what happens when you get people who don't know how to parent bringing up kids who don't know how to parent and then having kids of their own. He killed an innocent girl and killing him will not bring her back. Locking him up and throwing away the key will bring her back. Teaching him empathy and a respect for life will not bring her back but it will bring him regret and maybe apply himself to helping others.

 

Just to say that I am not trying to wind people up as I know it is a very emotive issue. And I certainly don't want to detract from the severity of his crime.