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  1. Sirius

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    Hi,
    Has anybody ordered anything from Crug Farm?
    Are they reliable?

    I had a look at their website recently. They list a whole range of fantastic plants, particularly Chinese/Taiwanese species.

    They aren't cheap though.
    And I am wondering how reliable their hardiness assessments are.
    Am a bit reluctant to splash out on something that is not going to manage in our winters.

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    Crug Farm only about 37 miles from me [as the Crow flies!}. They are really reliable and a very interesting place to visit and although not knowing where you live, Sirius, I would recommend you visit them. They are proper Plant Hunters and close the site in the Autumn to go looking for plants and seeds in Asia.
    They are real experts and know their stuff as they've been doing it for years. As for their hardiness assessments they really are as accurate and realistic as it can get as they have been getting reports back from customers for years. Having said that all plants have their quirks and it's up to you as a gardener to make sure the plants are sited in the right place and looked after!!
    I've bought some really unusual plants from them over the years and had very little trouble with them. What failures I have had have been minor and due to my own inexperience at the time.:wallbang::gaah: Nearly all my exotics are in pots and and I don't take the risk of losing them to a harsh Winter whatever the Hardiness Rating is given, even by the RHS! So all my exotics come into shelter just to make sure.:snork: It's a matter of personal choice of what you buy but they will give you honest, experienced advice on the plants should you buy some.:thumbsup::snork:
     
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      :blue thumb: An excellent company I can thoroughly recommend them..
       
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        Armandii,
        I am in Hertfordshire, just north of London.

        I agree that hardiness is an assessment that each gardener needs to make re his own conditions.
        But Crug for eg list a few species of Schefflera as hardy, yet every account I have read of some of these few species is that they will not cope with our winters.
        It would be interesting to hear how they can make those assessments then.

        Their list sure is fantastic. Some really interesting stuff. :wow:
         
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          Hmmmm. I might be tempted to put in an order.........:spinning:
           
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            I think if you were to contact them regarding your doubts they would give you the facts without trying to make a sale. They do supply a lot of Exotic Plant Retailers and their reputation is very high.:snork:

            Hmmm. Herts is a long way to travel as they are just off the Welsh Coast road [A55], but as I said it is a very interesting place......the only danger being that if you did visit them you would buy a lot more than you intended!!!:heehee: As you say there's some very interesting stuff.

            The thing is I don't care how experienced a gardener is but every plant you buy is always a risk no matter what the price!!! Some plants I have bought confidently have, to my surprise and indignation!!, failed when I expected great success, and I'm not just referring to exotics!!!. There are differing opinions of individual plant's hardiness and some plants that are tender and shouldn't be, but are, grown in the North with success where they should, according to the Hardiness rating, have failed. I have the space to shelter the exotics in a "Cool Room" and in my Kitchen over the Winter and I gave that aspect some thought before buying. Although I have a Green House it is not heated during the Winter so I don't use that. It just needs some realistic thought on your part as to the pros and cons of certain exotics and whether or not you can give them shelter:dunno::snork:
             
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            Armandii,
            I see they do mail order.......I think that could be more dangerous than actually going there.....

            Yup, hardiness is such a complicated issue.
            I had some decent sized Dicksonia antartica which are supposed to be able to take our winter. That bad one 2 years ago killed them, even though they were wrapped in fleece.
            That really knocked my confidence, and in fact, it put me off gardening for a while. I like exoctics and the tropical look, so am always "pushing the envelope" I guess.
             
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              We do that all the time, Sirius, which gives us the joys and tragedies that make up gardening!!!:snork: Go with what you think will make you happy but always have a glass of realism by your side:heehee:
               
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                Armandii,
                I will tell you what my fundamental problem is......:old:

                I keep thinking back to my garden in South Africa - Aloes, Cycads, Palms etc......

                And I want an as tropical garden in the UK as I can have.
                The problem with that is one freak winter as we had 2 years ago, can destroy years of work.
                 
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                There was nothing freak about that Winter, Sirius!!!!:lunapic 130165696578242 5: Great Britain is renown for it's mixture of Winter temperatures where we can have a really long mild spell then a catastrophic short period of devastating cold in which all the damage is done. A lot of gardeners lost Cabbage Palms, Bananas and Cordylines during the last "mild" Winter of 2011. It's only a little while when it was usual in the UK to have a very harsh Winter every year.Having said that we have some very knowledgeable and experienced exotic plant gardeners on Gardeners Corner who have succeeded in leaving plants outside to their satisfaction although not without losses.:doh: I think it's a case of either being courageous [or rash:heehee:] enough to take the gamble and I can understand your longing to emulate your garden as it was in South Africa. Perhaps some of those more experienced to leaving exotic plants outside during the Winter can suggest ways and means of raising the odds of success. I don't put a lot of faith in fleece and straw as a method of protection although it is used and recommended by some gardeners.:dunno:
                 
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                As others have said Crug farm is excellent. Top quality plants.

                They grow and trail plants outside in their location, but its worth noting its a coastal location and although the do get -10c they usually warm up quicker than Herts will do the following day.

                -10 in one location really isnt the same as in others. However that said, our garden is in Luton so will be very similar climate to you. S. Taiwaniana is hardy for us (once established - a big one sailed though the very bad winters, but a small one was killed). S Rhododendrifolia/Impressa was fine, as both larger and smaller plants. The "Garden House" sheffy, which may be S Rhododendrifolia or something else was also fine as small size.

                Various others we have had in the garden for a couple of years with out problem. But they didnt go though our really bad winter (for us 09-10 was the worst).

                They are by far the best. Others are worth a try in a very sheltered spot, and if we have mild winters would be fine anyway. Other Sheffs we have are kept potted and then frost free.
                 
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