Ant bait a problem for compost

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  1. AndyS

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    I've always tolerated ants in the compost heap, or given it a water and turn when particularly populated with them, but this weekend we found ants invading our kitchen. We scrubbed the whole thing from top to bottom and while out at work today my wife put down some bait traps that are supposed to wipe out the colony. I don't feel good about this as I hate killing things but something had to be done....but now my concern is that they might take this bait into the compost and make it unsafe for use.
    I've done a thorough search online but, other than finding lots of better ways to deal with the ants in future, can't find any info on how safe these traps are to use around compost. I believe that the active poison (Fiprinol) is, alarmingly, a neonicotinoid. I don't see how it would pass on to bees in this instance, but maybe I'm being naive?
    But my main concern is it passing back into us if ants die in the compost and then we use this around edibles. Does anyone know how likely and dangerous this would be?
    I think Fiprinol has been used as a spray on crops until 2013, so maybe we've already consumed it in large amounts unwittingly before now anyway?!

    Thanks for any light you can shed.
     
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    I don't think, in the quantities that ants would take it back to a compost heap, that you have any problems. The amount is minimal, then, if it does get taken back there, it would be a tiny amount that would then be mixed into a much larger area - your garden.

    Having said that, it appears unlikely to me that the ants would have come from your compost heap - but I don't know how close it is to the house. Most compost heaps tend to be towards the bottom of the garden so would be a distance from the house.

    Ants that normally invade the house usually come from nearby and, especially, from under paving/patios.

    In future, if you know that the ants are getting in from under doors or through windows - or the areas around them - it's better to use one of the outside type sprays (such as Raid etc.). You spray it along the join between wall and ground and around the outside of the doorframe and window frame. These formulations are made to put a coating on the brickwork etc. and last for quite a while. They will deter the ants from coming indoors whilst not being in a position to do damage to other insects - they only affect anything that walks across them.

    Good luck :)
     
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    ""But my main concern is it passing back into us if ants die in the compost and then we use this around edibles. Does anyone know how likely and dangerous this would be?""


    This is a major health problem, homeopathically, but not a concern at all if real the real world is what you go by.
     
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      That's reassuring, I hoped that would be the case.


      We only have a small garden so, although the compost heap is at the bottom, that still only makes it about 12 yards from the back door. Perhaps I oughtn't to be composting really in such a small garden?

      Since using the traps we've had no more ants venturing into the kitchen, thankfully. We found an ant graveyard under the outside doormat, and there's still lots of live ones in the compost, crossing the patio, and in neighbouring streets. There seems to be tons of them around where we live, so I guess there could be a nest under the patio, in the compost or both.
      Thanks for your helpful reply :-)
       
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      That's not quite right as there is no danger at all homoeopathically. That's not really how homoeopathy works.
       
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        English is a great language because there are so many meanings for so many words. "works"?
         
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        Scepticism is a lovely word! :heehee:
         
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          Not as lovely as: reason, logic, science, and intelligence as compared to -

          Flat earth believing, snake oil selling, charlatans.

          Next we will be hearing that the Cultural, social, familial, Marxists as personified by Miliband do not despise all that made Britain Great; and are not out to destroy it.
           
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          Whoops! I think this is beginning to touch on contentious subjects that should not be voiced on the gardening sections.

          In general we enjoy a good debate, under the right section, but we try to keep away from wording that might offend other members. :)

          There are plenty of other forums for that sort of thing. Something you have mentioned yourself. :blue thumb:
           
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            OK shiney. the upcoming election has me worked up although I have only a minimal right to be.

            I get into too many fights, and am too old for it anymore, too broken up and scarred. - and banned from the good political threads. My problem is I read non fiction way too much, and have seen too much so my brain is always spilling over with opinions and theories on everything.

            I will stick to my couple of threads and go if I annoy anyone - it is hard stopping being a scrapper and I have never been passive in my life - although I am slowing down.
             
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              uote="colne, post: 810207, member: 14263"]English is a great language because there are so many meanings for so many words. "works"?[/quote]

              Actually, Colne, the English language apart from being a beautiful descriptive language is also a very definitive language. However, as we know certain people can hide behind words and use them to deceive other people in the hope that those "other" people don't have the sense to see behind those words. So, yes, the English language is a great language but, like all other languages, can be used in a way that the orator or writer is saying one thing but meaning another.:dunno::snork:

              We also use it on GC to give gardening advice, extend friendship and sympathy where needed, and show a sense of humour. The main thrust of GC is gardening but we do talk/banter about nearly everything under the Sun but we do so in a manner that keeps a Thread within the bounds of a Discussion where no offence is given or taken. A lot of members feel strongly about certain subjects but have the ability to argue/reason their point of view without "scrapping" or "shouting" and that's what makes GC a very unique Forum. If you want to discuss subjects intelligently, reasonably and with a sense of humour then this is the Forum for you....if not then this is not the Forum for you.

              "I will stick to my couple of threads and go if I annoy anyone - it is hard stopping being a scrapper and I have never been passive in my life - although I am slowing down."

              We would like you to stick around and enjoy the Forum, Colne, but like in certain towns in the Wild West you have to leave your guns in a safe place and don't take them into Town!!:heehee:
               
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                Right, well, ants. I just put ant powder down along the length of wall they seem to be entering the house through. It's always got rid of them so far - not sure what it contains, though. Probably permethrin, which you can also use to treat scabies, apparently.

                I quite like ants - it means it's summer when they start getting active. It would probably be impossible to complete eradicate them from the garden even if I wanted to.
                 
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                  I haven't had many problems in the garden with Ants I must admit. I've never had any house invasions from them for some reason and they've never made a nest in my compost heap. I have had over the last 3 years had Bees making a nest in my Compost Heap with is fine by my as I don't use the "black gold" at the bottom on the heap until the Winter. I have had Ants, though, make nests in one or two of my large pots and have had to evict them when replanting but they always seem to make a new nest nearby.:snork:
                   
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                  We have just come home this evening to a mini kitchen invasion. Hubby has been out with the powder. So early to start fighting the ants. We had never had a problem until last year.

                  As someone who is starting out with GYO - should ants concern me? Are they likely to take a fancy to the produce I am growing? If so, what can I do to deter them? TIA.
                   
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                  It looks like they built in the Kitchen and you'll have to track the Ants to find the entrance and then put powder down around it so that they track it into the Nest...........hopefully there is only one Nest and one entrance.:dunno:
                   
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