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I.D. Cards....Am i wrong......

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Anthony Rogers, Nov 16, 2015.

  1. Anthony Rogers

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    I.D. cards....Am I wrong in thinking these would be a good idea ?

    I have always thought that if you opposed them you had something to hide.

    The reason I've bought this up is that the other day my mom bought a new phone and wanted to sell her old one. When we went to the shop we were told that she needed either a current passport or a driving licence. Now, neither of us has either of these so now we're stuck with a phone that no-one wants after initially being offered £56 for it.

    So, to the point of my post.... Why can't we just have a National Identity Card with a photo ?
     
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      You can already get optional ID cards that are fairly widely accepted. I can't remember the name of the organisation that does them, but they're mentioned all over at off licenses and pubs and such.

      I'm not sure how I'd feel about an actual official ID cards scheme. My main resistance to it would be that if we had one, more places would expect to see it, and then we'd have an extra thing that we need to not lose or forget.
       
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        I wouldn't have a problem with it as I carry my driving licence in my wallet always. Not everyone does, or even have a licence. I don't currently have a passport so that would be out of the question. With a quick check of your name, the police can find out lots about you ( I've seen it on TV) as they can via your car reg number. I personally think it would be a good idea as the normal man or woman in the street wouldn't have to try to hide their identity. Bring it on, I say.
         
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          I'm all for an official ID card, however I seem to recall that the last time one was proposed the then government wanted to charge somewhat more than the bare cost of provision.
           
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            Agree 100% with that, it was the Conservatives and Lib Dems who opposed them and scapped plans for them
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8679072.stm

            Never did trust them

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            One of the reasons that there was such vociferous objection to them was that they wanted to put more than the basic info coded into the chip (medical and other personal info) and people were worried about who would have access to that info.

            They should have proposed just basic info (name and address with a photo) going into it - but I suppose that would have been easy to fake. :scratch:

            I don't carry any basic I.D. with me and don't have a wallet. Extra weight to carry around is a no no when you get older :old: :snork:. I've enough of it around my waist. :heehee: Credit cards and money just zipped in an inner pocket.
             
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              I agree, last time it was seen as another tax raising opportunity. If it was reasonably priced then it would have my backing.

              I always carry my licence too, but it's a paper one with no photo. I was offered a 'free' upgrade to a photo one but as I understand they expire every 10 years - mine doesn't :)
               
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                I wasn't given a choice when I reached 70 :sad:.

                Fortunately it didn't take any effort and they used my passport photo for it. So I didn't have to do anything apart from promise to send the paper version back to them. I'm still waiting for them to send a postage paid envelope for me to send it back! ;) :heehee:

                My father never had to take a driving test - and it showed! :doh: He got his licence before tests started (I remember seeing it once and it was dated 1921) - and drove cars the way he used to race motorbikes! :hate-shocked:
                 
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                  So you want 64 million of us to suffer the hassle and expense of ID cards so that your mum can sell a phone?

                  Have you not tried just asking around, putting in a local advert or listing it on ebay?

                  I am not willing to let anyone erode my freedom for such a trivial matter.
                   
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                  • Dips

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                    I personally dnt mind having an ID card i always carry around photo ID anyway cause even at 28 i still get asked for it now and then when it comes to alcohol

                    Personally i would also like my medical info on it. That would be great if i ever was in a crash or collapsed in public cause they need to know what illnesses i have and that im allergic to codeine which makes it very important i receive no natural opiates.

                    I already have all my medical stuff thats relevant in my emergency medical ID on my phone for this reason but i dnt know if emergency services would look at it

                    Another reason having it on a card would be useful is for when you go to diff clinics or doctors or hospitals. Its so draining going through ur medical history and saying over and over again what ur allergic to and what it does to you. would be much easier and less energy demanding for me if i could give them a card and scan it. That would be amazing and would save so much time in appointments.
                     
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                      It's not just for selling mobile phones misterQ, all sorts of everyday things require photo ID these days, opening bank accounts is nigh on impossible and that's hardly trivial.
                       
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                        I know full well the OP's direction of travel regarding this thread but I was waiting for them to open the door to the actual core of the issue (ie ID cards = security) themselves before I chimed in further.

                        If ID cards duplicate the data found on passports, driving licences, NI cards etc then why would you need one?

                        If you did put all of that data on a single card then I would make the "eggs in one basket" argument.
                         
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                          Just how would an ID card erode your freedom? In this day and age I am strongly of the opinion not only should we have ID cards but we should also have to carry them on our person at all times.They shouldn't have scrapped them in 1952, they were used during the war with great effect and our technology now is light years away from what they had. Let us face it, we are still at war now, trouble is our enemies could be living on the same road as us.
                          Sorry Mr Q but if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
                           
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                            Trading safety for convenience is generally not a good idea.

                            That doctors and nurses at different clinics ask you to confirm in person over and over about your medical history is actually good practice because it minimises diagnosis errors and eliminates the need to make an assumption - the assumption that what is stored on the ID card is correct.
                             
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                            As my illness includes memory issues and cognitive dysfunction i dont necessairly remember everything and therefore dont tell them everything and also sometimes i cant communicate stuff because i forget words and cant construct scentences. If im really sick i cant even process what other people are saying and being asked loads of questions uses a lot of energy and its really draining which means i make more mistakes and find it harder to communicate.

                            Most people with my illness make lists to take and ticksheets. I have a ticksheet in my purse of my symptoms etc so having a card would be highly helpful and would actually make it safer for me
                             
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