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Discussion in 'Identification Area' started by SvenLittkowski, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. SvenLittkowski

    SvenLittkowski Gardener

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    Please ID this plant.
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    I also need to know, why my two pines are in such bad condition. I water, and gave even fertilizer, but the needles lose color and become light yellow. Please help to save two (plant) lives!

    The plants are in Jamaica, I bought them here.

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    Is this fenugreek/methi?
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    What plant is this?
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    If it's methi you should be able to smell it from the leaves.

    The last one looks like mirabilis jalapa and the first one looks like dock. But they could be anything, really.

    Are you sure the pines are not going through a natural deciduous phase? A few are deciduous, eg larch. Just wait and see if they regrow. You could scratch the bark to see if they are green underneath.
     
  3. SvenLittkowski

    SvenLittkowski Gardener

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    Pines: that is a good advise, I will scratch and look for green. Thanks.

    Methi: no, they don't smell like them, but on the other hand, they produce seed pods like methi with seeds inside like methi seeds. But smelling or eating a leave is not like methi. That's why I am so irritated.

    Dock: might be. It is a weed. Thanks.

    Mirabilis: could be! I once had its seeds in the soil before I reused the soil. Thanks.
     
  4. SvenLittkowski

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    Okay, I scratched some small amount of bark off. Light brown below. help really needed.

    What other plant could it be, if it is not Methi/Fenugreek?
    Here some more photos, including two inmature seed pods and its white, small blossoms. Sorry for the low quality of the photos.

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  5. SvenLittkowski

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    The best I can offer is a member of the Fabaceae family. Not much help really:dunno:
     
  7. SvenLittkowski

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    Well, better than nothing. :-)

    For sure it is not Methi/Fenugreek, right?
     
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    The pines could be scorched, either by sun or wind. Are they a local species? You could try shading with fleece or moving them to a sheltered position.
    On the other hand they could be overwatered if you have been too kind.
     
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    The leaves look wrong to me. The edges on your plant are not serrated and they're not elliptical enough.
     
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    Sven, its definitely not methi... Although the leaves look similar. Methi leaves are bit narrower and very fragrant.. and hv a distinct flavor.

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    If it has a white flower it could be a Butterfly pea - Clitoria ternatea L. Fabaceae Faboideae: I have seen them growing there in Jamaica with pink & blue flowers
     
  12. SvenLittkowski

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    Thanks a lot to you all!

    Pine: Overwatering: might be. When it started to become brown, I thought I didn'ty give enough water, so I gave more, and more. It's possible. I stop right away and hope they will recover. Yes, they are locals.

    Not Methi: Not so sure if it is Butterfly Pea - the blossoms are white but tiny, see the first two photos. They look so: two large white blossom leaves at the lower side, and some smaller ones at the upper side. The low camera quality does hide this, unfortunately. What else could this plant be?

    Besides: does anyone have seeds of the Butterfly Pea and can send them to me?
     
  13. Marley Farley

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    Could your seed pods be from Cassia Occidentailis widely used in Jamaican Herb medicine..

    In your first pic the new leaf coming up from the centre is pointed & I am now wondering if it is in fact actually a European dandelion as it is not uncommon for their first leaves not to be pointed or serrated.. People are growing them & making coffee sub' from the root.. The Jamaican observer ran an article on it, I think it was a few years back.. Seeds are airborne very easily & pop up in pots just like yours..
     
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