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Does The DT Situation Give You the Tremors?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by shiney, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    This is not about drinking!

    What do you think about the statements that Donald Trump has come out with recently?

    The racist one about refusing entry to the U.S. if you're a Moslem and internment for any Moslem already in the country - including those born there!

    Then the patently inaccurate speech he made about a large amount of areas in Paris and London are radicalised and the police are too scared to go into those areas.

    The Met Police are very upset about it, as are all the boroughs in London. I don't think that Boris's comments are printable.

    There's an on-line petition (over 300,000 people signed up to it so far) for him to be barred from entering the U.K. There's another campaign called 'Dump Trump', with similar aspirations. :)

    I don't think that we should ban him. He should be allowed to come here so that he can be ridiculed throughout the media!

    He flatly denies that he has a toupee.

    Manipulation of photos cheers things up.

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      He is completely bonkers, what is even more scary is that some people actually agree with him
       
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        If people are good then i have no problem with them, but there are people who do bad things which should be dealt with, but in this world at the moment there seems to be alot of bad about, cover up's, fauld and war etc,

        The world is not a happy place in my veiw
         
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          Did a poll on a USA site yesterday, 45% of folk want him as their leader, mind you 19% wanted Darth Vader as president :th scifD36:
           
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            The petition is up to half a million.

            There's no doubt that some areas have a problem with people being anti-police and some of those areas have a high Moslem population but that is entirely different from the way Trump is trumpeting.

            We've always had these type of areas especially in big towns. Nowadays, of course, there are more firearms around which makes it more dangerous and police need to be more careful and vigilant, but these are the unfortunate signs of the times.

            Trump is implying, and saying, that there are vast areas that are 'no go' areas. Most of our troubles in the past have been in the more deprived areas of the cities (as happens around the world) and they tend to have a racial/ethnic bias as that is where immigrants move to.

            I remember the Notting Hill riots in the 1950's and the Brixton, Toxteth, Handsworth etc. ones in the 1980's.

            Trump is trying to make it look as though Islamisation is rife throughout the country and that there are vast areas that are too dangerous for people to go. They can't even solve their own problems of 15,000 murders a year. We could easily blow that out of proportion into making it appear that the whole of the U.S. is a battleground. I go over there fairly frequently and it's nothing of the sort.

            Trump is a rabblerousing, dangerous, bigoted idiot. :yikes: I also don't think he's a very nice person! :lunapic 130165696578242 5:

            He's had his honorary doctorate from Aberdeen University revoked. :noidea:
             
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              Polls are really accurate :blue thumb: They said that Labour would get in with a big majority at the last election :doh:
               
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                I've not read everyone's views, but I think he's a very dangerous man! Worryingly there's people agreeing with him! :rolleyespink:
                 
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                  Apart from the fact that I can't see how his idea would work (how would you know who's a Moslem?), it gives me horrible thoughts of Moseley, Hitler and the unnecessary internment of Japanese U.S. citizens in WWII - under Exec. Order 9066.

                  Over here we all know about the racial/ethnic hatred stirred up by Moseley and Hitler.

                  In the U.S. the internment of Japanese U.S. citizens (70,000 citizens and more than that amount of non-citizens living in the country - if my memory serves me right) resulted in years of incarceration, loss of their homes, businesses and livelihoods.

                  In the early 80's there was an investigation into it and a report brought out. The report determined that the decision to incarcerate was based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". The Commission recommended legislative remedies consisting of an official Government apology and redress payments of $20,000 to each of the survivors; a public education fund was set up to help ensure that this would not happen again (Public Law 100-383).

                  Maybe Trump should read that report! :wallbanging:

                  Even with all that, I think that he should be allowed into this country unless he makes inflammatory statements whilst here. We still have some sort of freedom of speech.
                   
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                  He seems to be a national embarrassment a bit like our very own Tyson Fury who's another successful idiot. I'm not taking much notice of either of them to be honest.
                   
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                    There are worrying similarities between trump and hitler.
                     
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                      Megalomania? :scratch:
                       
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                        Hitler played on people's insecurities, and blamed a single section of society for all his country's problems. Knowing that if he just came right out and said 'kill all the Jews' he would not have won the support he did. So he gradually increased the potency of his rhetoric to give the masses time to become desensitized.

                        Trump is doing the exact same thing in America. I'd like to say I doubt he'd go to the extremes that hitler did, but seeing as America is clearly not reluctant to go to war, even under a sensible leader like Obama, I'm not so sure.
                         
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                        Nearly forgot to add, according to a documentary I once saw, hitler made his case for fighting Britain by convincing ordinary German people that us Brits had effectively lost control of our own country, and so attacking Britain would be to liberate regular British people from tyranny.

                        Very recently, trump has told his worshippers that parts of Britain have become so radicalised that even the police avoid entire areas of major cities. He's also pointed at the petition to bar him as proof that in effect we've lost our freedom.

                        Even his own party fear him. It was on the news yesterday that they might blow the election by using rarely used, obscure legislation to block his candidacy, but if they did, then no republican could win, except, ironically, for Trump, if he were to still win an albeit greater than usually necessary proportion of votes.
                         
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                        That would require a time machine to enact.
                         
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                        I must have missed him making that statement whilst here. :doh: What did he say? :scratch:
                         
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