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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by clueless1, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. redstar

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    We have the same here, bait dogs, people posing as a nice couple to get puppies to inturn use them other wrongly, puppy mills which over breed for money. Even a foot ball star was sent to jail for dog fighting on his property. Dog stealing on the rise for money. People are sick, sick, sick who do these things to mans best friend. Why wait until the government does something, you, yourself have to do something. Be watchful and nosey to report wrong doings. I myself in the summer will report a dog locked in a hot car right away. I stand there with my cell and call the police. And frankly, I don't care what ill words from the owners are thrown at me, they are skum that do this.
    I will report if I discover anything.
     
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      Redstar, I work as a home checker for a small charity as well a working full time and giving my own dog a fab life. I would always report any type of abuse when I see it.

      What more do you want me to do?
       
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        No subtitles necessary. It was blatantly obvious how the dog was getting wound up. It was clearly not enjoying any of it. I found that painful to watch but I know there are plenty of people who let that sort of behaviour happen, which is why I reckon, as I mentioned when I started this thread, that people should have to pass some sort of mandatory assessment before they're allowed a dog. If that dog had lost its patience, it would have had the child's face off in a heartbeat, and the damage would have been done even before the parents had chance to gasp for breath as their adrenaline kicked in.
         
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          When you said the Government should step in and do something ----I just thought that is what you'd be waiting for. But if your not just waiting for the government to do something then good for you. Its all good.
           
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          Yvonne, your good intentions have been obvious throughout.

          Personally, if our political system cannot offer total protection from abuse to our children (and it can't) I don't hold out much hope for offering total protection to dogs.


          Big sis is watching you!
           
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          The adults that were there want shot.

          There is no way that anyone should allow a dog to be treated like that, no matter how young the child is.
           
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            Not 100% true, Yvonne, though maybe my Tiffy is the exception to this. She was a bait dog for 'travellers' in Ireland. They cut her ears and her tail and if you'd seen the state of her when she was eventually rescued you would cry. They left her to die in an abandoned caravan and when she was found she was a skeleton, covered in bites and infected sores. Yet she is the sweetest, cheekiest, most loving little dog you could ever meet, who loves people and can live with other dogs. I'm not having a go at you - I agree that some bait dogs (and others that have been cruelly treated) may be too damaged mentally to rehome with a family, but not all.
             
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            Happy to be proved wrong over and over again on this, Lost in France.
             
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              Someone mention having to pass a test before being allowed to keep dogs,this should apply to couples having children as well the maternal instinct now seems sadly missing to often.
              There was a discussion the other day on what makes us human and if I remember compassion was high on the list.So these animal abusers have no compassion so what does that make them,
               
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                I mostly agree, except for one subtle but major difference. You don't accidentally get a dog. Most people don't get caught in the moment and end up responsible for a dog without having decided in advance that that's what they were going to do. With kids that's exactly what happens sometimes.

                Here's the thing. I heard this from someone ages ago and its right. Evolution favours the careless/reckless in this situation. My missus and I actually planned our two kids. We took steps to reduce the chance of any kids popping along until we were ready and by ready, I mean settled and able to give the kids everything they need both in terms of material needs and non-material needs like attention and time and love. We're like many, many people who are equally thoughtful. That means that we only have two kids, and we're unlikely to have more because we've agreed that two is enough for us, plus we are both mindful of the fact that as we get older, we will be less fun to any more kids as we'll reach a point where it is an effort to kick a ball about or play Nerf battles.

                Lots of people don't give a stuff, and will breed with anything that has a pulse, and they start early. Its ok, the state will sort everything out. That means they can have more kids and breed earlier, squeezing more generations into the world at the same time (if each generation of a family is only 18 years older than their kids say, then if they typically live to be 80, then you get 4 generations alive at once, compared to maybe 2 or 3 for those that are a bit more careful). All this means that those that don't care can breed in greater numbers than those that do care.

                Its different with a dog. The state isn't going to give you any Dog Benefit, or get you a bigger house because you've amassed half a dozen dogs by the time you're 20, and you don't get a new dog every time you go to a party and get too drunk.

                Once the kids are in the world, we can't take them away. They are human beings. So any mandatory test of parenthood would amount to either legislation with no teeth, or a very distasteful situation. We can stop people from having dogs though, as the dogs are already in the world so its just a matter of preventing them from going to the wrong people.
                 
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                  I do agree with you clueless1 but that would take government legislation, 'policing'and more money than any government are going to spend on the problem. And the people who have the status dogs, bait dogs etc are going to ignore this law in the same way they disregard all the others. I don't mean we shouldn't try but I don't know how it would work.
                   
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                    It would stop those that mean well but haven't got a clue. Or at least it would stop them until they've passed their test. The cost could be covered by a test fee and fines for those that break the rules. Introducing such a one off fee, much like the fee we have to pay to do our driving test, would be an extra check that people are serious about what they're doing. If they really want a pet dog, then why would they begrudge a few quid to prove they are suitably qualified to keep one?
                     
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                        I have said that for YEARS and YEARS, people should pass a test before they can procreate. And agree with pet ownership.
                         
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                        @clueless1 - I must confess that this time around, we accidentally ended up with our wee man.

                        We went to a local pet place to buy seed and sand for the birds (two budgies and a cockatiel at the time) and whilst there we saw they were selling puppies. Looking in at them (they were in a separate room with a viewing window), they were all rolling about as puppies do and our wee Smudge was sat looking at us - he was the only one that even noticed there was people there.

                        The owners went and brought him out so we could have a closer look, gave him to me and he immediately snuggled into the crook of my arm. The decision was made faster than you can say 'credit card' and we came home with him and a whole heap of stuff for him.

                        Pet places are like Halfords - I swear they pipe something into the air that makes you buy stuff........ :doggieshmooze:
                         
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