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Harts Tongue Fern

Discussion in 'Pests, Diseases and Cures' started by Upsydaisy, Feb 2, 2021.

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    Took this from my parents garden last year. Apparently it's suppose to be evergreen ( Google) , mine looks as if it's unwell judging by it's leaves. I can't see anything about cutting it back in winter. Help, I really don't want to lose it as the parent plant was/ is next to my parents main pond. Desperate for advice, thanks. IMG_20210202_144151_hdr.jpg
     
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      I am not into ferns upsy but I would defiantly remove the saucer underneath especially at this time of year it maybe causing it to rot sitting in water. I'd have a look at the roots to see if they are rotting . You'll probably lose the leaves that have gone brown. Some of the leave are probably down to natural winter shedding .
       
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        By the look of the leaves. My first thoughts are. Wrong soil. Despite Hart's tongue fern ,Asplenium scolopendtium can be found growing in woodland and hedgrows, suggesting an acid/ericaceous soil. It actually requires a soil, growing medium of a very high calcarious content.
        Might I ask. Having potted this plant up. Did it suddenly deteriorate rather than gradually die back, because this is what's taken place, IMO. Indications tend to suggest a sudden change has taken place.

        I'd be inclined to repot it, disposing of existing soil/compost and using a medium to high chalky mix. Although sadly the plant may look bedraggled for a time. I'd remove all damage leaves. This will enable the rootstock to regenerate asap. I can well understand your anxiety as I know something about yout devotion and loving memories of you parents and their beautiful garden. I wish you all the best.
         
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          Hi Upsydaisy,

          I have several Hart's Tongue along the banks of the Wildlife pond and some in the shady areas under trees.....
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          I agree with Perki completely about removing the saucer as Ferns will survive quite nicely in reasonably dry conditions. However, the Harts Tongue is, in reality, not happy in the pot and the best place for it is in the ground, preferably in light to semi deep shade.
          Since the Fern has been grown on in a pot it will transfer easily into the ground.
           
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            Ok thanks everyone

            @Perki I will remove the saucer although I do empty it after each rainfall.I will check out the roots tomorrow. :thankyou:

            @Mike Allen it's in the soil that it grew in at my parents, and there was loads of it growing well so I don't think it's that.

            It was potted up in July and has been fine until the last month...I thought perhaps the frost had caused it.
            I will replant it after checking the roots. :thankyou:

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            @ARMANDII , yours are beautiful, that's how my Dad's looked too. In all honest I didn't intent for it to remain in the pot ,but just got distracted with closing down and selling the property. I then thought it would be too late in the year to shock it with another move, would now be ok do you think?:thankyou:
             
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              Hi Upsydaisy, most plants that are grown in pots are usually fine to plant straight into the soil and that includes the Harts Tongue Fern. I would though, just to be kind to any plant, do the planting when there's no snow or ice around and the temperature in in the 40'F's.
              Let us all know how you get on when you decide to do it.:love30:
               
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                How pathetic. Sorry.
                 
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                  We have a lot of them and tend to find them tough as old boots. Some of the leaves die back naturally. Ours grow in different parts of the garden and somehow seem to have self-seeded :scratch: in other places. I haven't the faintest how they manage to get into different areas of the garden :rolleyespink:

                  The originals are in a very shady area and always do well. Some of the other places they have planted themselves include in the tarmac of the car port and in the paving in the greenhouse so certainly appear not to need all that much water.

                  So it seems logical not to keep it in the saucer. I have no expertise in the matter but only empirical observation. :)
                   
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                    Not at all @Mike Allen and I certainly value your wise words. Please promise never to think that of yourself.:nonofinger:

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                      Thanks @shiney , yes must admit that my Dad's are in a shady area and multiplied!!!
                      Fingers crossed that it's only sulking for being restrained in a pot.:fingers crossed:

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                        I have a number of thes that have sprouted up in various places (self spored?) occasionally one looks extremely tiredand battered, but they generally pick up. I have another fern that also pops up in a few places I keep meaning to give them some more attention. Perhaps I'll get round to posting some photos this next year.
                         
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                          How about cutting it right back now....and thoughts.
                           
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                          :scratch::dunno: You've lost us, Mike:doh:
                           
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                            Yes, please, Nigel.
                             
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                              You don't need to cut it back, Upsdaisy, just remove the damaged, brown, unsightly leaves.
                               
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