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Help!!! What are these nasty bugs?

Discussion in 'Identification Area' started by shiney, Jun 13, 2020.

  1. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    These are not particularly good photos (camera having trouble focusing) of what appear to be nasty bugs on our roses. We only spotted them after one stem has died. It looks as though the whole stem and leaves have been burnt.

    They're about the size of a small ladybird and there are quite a lot on each stem
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    When we touch them they just fell fairly solid and when we push them with the edge of the secateurs they seem to be fairly firmly stuck and then just shoot off as though we have fired them from a gun. I think that's just from being forced until they pop off.

    They appear to be hollow hemispheres but, at first, it seemed as though they were full of dust until you look closer. Then they seem like miniscule eggs.
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    All these white 'eggs' came from that husk.
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    Are they nasties?
    Do I spray them with bug spray (we don't normally use any chemicals in the garden unless it's imperative)?
    Do we cut them down to the ground and burn them?

    The rose bed has dozens of these bushes, has been there between 50 and 70 years and the stems have thousands of very fine thorns.

    We hope to solve the situation as soon as possible so thanks in advance.
     
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    They look like one of the myriad forms of scale insects.
     
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      Thanks @Palustris Does it matter which one and does a spray get rid of them?
       
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      pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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      Hard scale, I'm not sure but I think they hatch out in to tiny crawlers, and that is the best time to spray, although a systematic should kill them.
       
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        Closely related to Mealy bugs.
        They suck the sap out of the host plant. The outer shell-like covering affords them almost total protection. Physical removal or systemic insecticide treatment.
         
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          Thanks everyone.

          We'll try to knock them all off but it's a 20ft long bed of Rosa rugosa and they're very tightly packed with thousands of small thorns on every stem. Otherwise it means resorting to chemicals which we don't like to do. A friend has given us a bottle of Provado Ultimate Bug killer. I guess that would do it - if we can get the spray through the dense surface foliage. I presume that would work systematically anyway but I guess it would work quicker if we could get it through to the lower levels.
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          Rosa rugosa has a very strong scent which makes it perfect for being by our back door. Fresh multiple blooms on the top each day

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          In the past we've never worried about the small amount of bugs we get on them, as above, but these scale bugs are actually killing the plants. :mad:

          I'll give it a go today - if I can find a sprayer.
           
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            Trouble with scale like that is that they do not have any really effective natural predators. Prefer to use an insecticidal soap and Neem oil rather than Provado which can kill bees. Mind so can Neem oil.
             
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              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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              I tried neem oil once.
              A bit like spraying your plants with chip fat.
              Mind you it does make the leaves shine. :biggrin:
               
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