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Horse meat.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by pete, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Well well well, its suddenly come to light that most of those burgers out there are mostly made of horse meat.
    I mean, is that really a problem?
    I think we export horses to the continent quite often, or has that stopped now?

    I know if you think you are buying beef, then you should be actually getting a bit of dead cow and not dead horse.
    Is there any difference? I'm willing to bet a big part of the population dont really care that much anyway, as long as its cheap.

    Any thoughts, my personal ones are its only to be expected, the price and the source means you dont really know what you are buying, and what is it with horse meat?....
    We dont normally eat it but those on the other side do, so I bet they wonder what all the fuss is about.
    I'd just ban anything from France, just like they did in the BSE years.:biggrin:
     
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      The only thing that worries me slightly about it is that seeing as nobody noticed for ages that it wasn't even the right animal, how can we be sure that the meat is clean and safe to eat?

      If our local butcher said he had some horse meat and it was 15% cheaper than beef, I'd have no problem buying and eating it. If he mumbled something and led me out the back to do some sneaky deal and said 'if anyone asks, just say its beef', you'd never see me in that shop again and I'd tell the coppers and environmental health and anyone else I thought ought to know.

      That's the point as far as I'm concerned. Its not that it is horse meat, its that it is not what its supposed to be yet its got through numerous supposed safeguards.
       
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        pete, I totally agree with you. why are they calling this food contaminated?? nothing wrong with it other than the fact that it isn't what it is labelled as. I hate the thought that all this food is just going to be wasted, they should just give it away to anyone who wants it.:dunno:

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          If someone is illegally selling meat, they're not going to make sure its the best quality. Could it be that its not even acceptable at the dog food factory, hence is being sold through the back door to some company that is struggling to remain competitive.
           
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            Definitely see both sides of the argument, I suppose if I wanted to eat a horse I'd go out specifically to get horse.. I mean I have no problem with eating horse.. but it's not the first thing I'd pick out on a supermarket aisle.

            I guess it's down to the laws and ethics of economics.
             
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            • No problem with eating Horse meat
            • Do have a problem eating potentially contaminated Horse meat
             
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              Also lets not forget (and I apologise to chocolate lovers out there), but apparently in chocolate there is alsorts including bits of insect etc.. this has been known for a long time, and it's just matter of fact now. The truth is there is more in our food that we would think, particularly processed food.

              Insects? they're good for you.. bring them on!
               
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              The reason that the word "contaminated" is being used, Val, is that there is a chance that some of the horses have been treated with the chemical Bute [which is a treatment of arthritis, imflamation, colic etc] and it is known to have a negative effect on humans should they ingest it. But what the Health Authorities are saying, [if you believe them], is that if it was present in the Horse meat it's level would be so low as to be unharmful:snork:
               
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                I can remember being sent to our butcher's in the early 1950's to get horse meat :)

                We have to remember at one point, before railways, horses were the main means of transport. You don't eat your car:heehee:
                 
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                  Didn't the horseshoes stick in your throat, WOO???:scratch: :snork:
                   
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                  They used to advertise cigarettes as being healthy too!

                  I don't have a problem with eating horsemeat as such, but like most others I DO have a problem in eating it unknowingly; more importantly for me, it has not only highlighted that the general public often don't really know what is going into their food, but that the procurement chain is stupidly complex and can only be serving to increase costs and lower quality.

                  The meat in the Findus meals was ordered by a British company from a French company, who in turn ordered it from another French company, they in turn ordered it from an agent in Cyprus, who in turn ordered it from an agent in Romania! How on earth can that be cost effective or beneficial to the consumer.

                  I suspect the whole chain doesn't really make much in the way of profit if truth be told - I think its yet another 'turnover' thing so that the figures look good for the stock markets to speculate on. So in a round about way, its capitalism and the bankers/traders shafting us all once again!

                  Makes me so glad that the bulk of the meat I eat comes from a free range butcher.
                   
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                    Hi Armandll no we wore them :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                     
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                      I'm so very tempted to digitally "adjust" an article from your local paper fat controller and post it:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                       
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                      I've been having trouble getting my usual tescos own brand veggie sausages, Langport branch had sold out so I tried Ilminster, they only had 2 packets:dunno:

                      I'm wondering if folk are switching to veggie till this has all been sorted out.

                      If I ate meat, it wouldn't worry me what animal its from (except Badgers) but like has been said, we don't know what might have been given to a non food chain animal.

                      I asked the farmer on the game farm behind me if he sold the Pheasants eggs at all, he said he couldn't as they feed the pheasants something that would make the eggs toxic. Not destined for the food chain so no control over what chemicals go in them I suppose.
                       
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                      My apologies no offence intended just could'nt resist this.;)

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