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Is this a curry?

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    If I stir fry some coarsely chopped carrots, courgettes, peppers and a leek, and then add coriander seeds, garlic, turmeric, ginger and chopped chillis, and finally stir in some tomato pasatta and a stick cube, before serving with steamed rice, is that a curry?

    Oh I nearly forgot. This time I also added tandoori powder, but I often don't. But turmeric, coriander, ginger and chilli are always present.

    I always call it a curry but then it occurred to me that maybe it isn't technically a curry. In fact I don't actually know if there is a formal criteria for a recipe to qualify as a curry.
     
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      If it`s hot and tasty, it`s a curry.lol
       
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        In india they refer to anything with a "gravy" style sauce as a curry. I saw it on a rick stein tv series. [emoji4]

        If i were u id do the coriander seeds a little first in some oil and then quickly add the veg and other ingredients. It'll bring out the flavour of the coriander better [emoji4]


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          Are you sure? Could be a chilli :rasp:
           
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            It's a curry if you call it a curry :blue thumb:


            Here comes the boring bit:-

            Having studied the history of spice cooking and taught Indian cookery at evening classes (over 30 years ago) I can quite categorically state that the origin and meaning is shrouded in mystery and lost in time.

            There's proof that spices were used in cooking nearly 5,000 years ago (no name given to it). There are plenty of claims to have invented the word 'curry' but it's difficult to prove anything.

            Some say it comes from the Tamil word Kari which is, variously, explained as a dish with spices - but some say it means with a soup like consistency and others say it's a thicker sauce.

            In an English cook book produced in the late 14th Century it mentions Cury (originating from French) and thought to just relate to a stew type meal, with or without spices. Spices were already being used quite widely in English cooking by then.

            There's little doubt that the popular modern meaning of the word was brought back from the time of The Raj. In India they didn't use the word 'curry' at all for their dishes and, generally, don't do it now.

            All the regions of India have their own particular specialities and names for the different styles of spicy cooking. Which is not surprising as there are 22 official languages and about 1,500 other languages spoken there.

            Going back to your recipe, you mentioned using a leek and I presume you use that instead of an onion. Onion is almost universally used in curries, but not in all of them, and frying the onion adds a completely different flavour to just cooking leeks into the curry.

            Do you use fresh ginger? If not, then I would recommend using it instead of powdered ginger.

            With regard to coriander seed, and a lot of other seeds such as cumin and fenugreek, it's better to dry roast them and then grind them before adding to the cooking. Just heat a heavy bottomed pan before putting the seeds in and shaking them around. This helps to release the aromatic oils locked in the seeds. Cumin only takes about 20 seconds in a hot pan, coriander takes about a minute and fenugreek (Methi) takes a bit longer. Then grind them in a mortar or, as I do, grind them in a coffee grinder (which I keep just for spices).

            If you don't know about fenugreek then it's worth Googling it. Although it can have an unpleasant smell (I don't think so) and a bitter taste it makes a fantastic difference to a curry dish. It's also said to help type 2 diabetes and problems with catarrh.
             
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              I almost always use onions and almost never use leeks in my curries. The leek was present this time purely because I had some that needed using up. I left the onions out this time because I thought the leek and garlic would be enough from the allium family.
               
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                Sounds nice minus the courgette, how'd it taste? Did you miss the onion?
                 
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                Shiney, am I correct in thinking that it all started as a food preservative?
                 
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                There's no real evidence either way, as the records go so far back in time, but it's thought that spices may both have been used to preserve and for other health reasons. Most spices have a record of being of use as a preventative or curative. Turmeric, for example, is recommended for very many conditions especially arthritis.

                There is some more recent evidence that the Victorians used spices to help cover the smell of meat that had started to go off as well as for the flavour.
                 
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                  It was delicious. We had it for tea. And I saved enough for my lunch the next day at work. Which reminds me. I've left a naan in works fridge. I must try to remember to take it home.
                   
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                    I've ceased eating rice with my (veggie) curries, the main ingredients, home grown marrows and onions, and then beefsteak tomatoes (& even apples) as they come into season provide just so much bulk that I can't also cope with rice.
                     
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                      What are you doing for protein? Do you eat lentils, chick peas and beans? Or do you make it up with nuts (quite expensive way to do it).
                       
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                        The problem with the lion vs rhino meme for mocking people who question vegetarians about their protein is that it is fundamentally flawed.

                        A grazing animal must graze continuously almost, in order to obtain the huge amount of energy needed to synthesise animal protein from starches and trace elements (something humans can't do by the way). The lion on the other hand gets to lounge around in the sunshine, and maybe do work for a few minutes per week.
                         
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                          Mrs Shiney is, mainly, vegetarian but eats well and gets lots of protein. I don't think she would be too happy with just grazing. :heehee:
                           
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