Jeremy Corbyn - this guy worries me

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    1- he thinks that it is better to seek a political solution to the ISIL threat;

    2 - he is not happy giving the police the authority to shoot terrorists during an attack.

    On this second point, it looks liked he's in for a major 'telling off' from the other party members.

    If I recall, he also wants us to give up our nuclear deterrant.

    Labour will never be in power with this bloke as their leader - he need to face facts - there are some 'bad' people out there.
     
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      I nearly clicked agree, because I agree 100% with most of your post. It's just the last bit about labour never getting into power under his leadership. Trouble is it seems he is worshipped like a God by many of the youth who, bless em, still believe that the world is full of lovely people and there's no such thing as a bad person, just misunderstood. It is very worrying.
       
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        I have supported Labour for most of my voting life . Not now though with Corbyn . I think his lefty corduroy jacket politics are a touch naive for these difficult times.
        Labour really have shot themselves in the foot on this one . The tories are laughing all the way to the ballot box !
         
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          Trouble is he seems like a nice bloke.

          Just totally unelectable.

          The world is not run by nice people with ethical, moral views.
           
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            I saw one comment which seemed to sum Corbyn up for me. They said, "If Corbyn had been in power during the 1930s, Hitler would have started the second world war in 1935 and we would have surrendered in 1934".
             
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              I watched his "performance" in an interview on the BBC this afternoon giving his reaction and thoughts to the Paris atrocity and my spirits sank......Labour is in deep trouble. He was basically saying that he still didn't approve of strikes against Isis or shooting to kill if the same that happened in Paris happened here. If the terrorists knew that we would be even more of an attractive target. He was insisting that the only solution would be to talk to Isis.......is he really that naive, unworldy, stupid.........or is he insane??:dunno::doh:
               
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                I don't think he's insane or stupid. I think he is perfectly normal, in his own bizarre parallel universe.
                 
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                  Well, please open a Wormhole so that he can vanish into it.:heehee:
                   
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                    He should try walking around some of the 'inner city' areas and try talking to people - and telling them that their lifestyle should be changed! :doh:
                     
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                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34840708
                      A little bit of light on the Labour horizon . Lots of MPs vehemently disagree with Corbyn's let's be nice to everyone fluffy-bunny politics . If he ever came to power, the UK would be savaged politically by the fanatics and economically by the rest of the world . He is a man totally out of place , I don't think he will see 2016 out as Labour leader.
                       
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                        It's a sad state of affairs really. The electorate usually worry about whether the Labour party will be responsible with the countries finances. Now we worry also whether Labour can keep the country safe. Corbyn really needs to decide who's side he's on.
                         
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                          Well, it's not often I agree with the conservatives, but they've announced the exact opposite stance to corbyn's, in that rather than wishing to cut our defence capability, they are going to invest in more intelligence gathering people, AND, more special forces.

                          In today's world, in addition to keeping the nuclear deterrent, if I was in charge and had limited budget, special forces and intel would be exactly where I'd be looking to invest.
                           
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                            @clueless1 they've already cut the defence budget, made redundant front line forces, the special forces are stretched to the limit now, it takes 19 weeks for initial special forces training , then transfered off for selection which can take up to 12 months. But before that you need to serve for 36 months in the Armed Forces. Youre not going to get SAS and SBS overnight. They shouldn't have cut the defence budget.
                            I think Corbyn is a raving nutter he's living in a time warp of the 70s and 80s.
                             
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                              Well, unfortunately, Mr Cameron's response to that direct question in Prime Minister's Question Time in the House of Commons today wasn't that clear, especially when in that question was a criticism of the cut backs in the Police, Armed Forces, the Security Service, and the Defence Budget. He had the opportunity to make definite statements about increasing any.....but didn't. Instead, he made a vague, indefinite, roundabout speech without saying definitely "Yes". What he did say was that he wanted to use air strikes in Syria, but there didn't seem to be any enthusiasm for that among the Opposition or some on his side of the Commons.
                              The other thing you have to consider is, that unless major increases are made to all the Services who protect us, then any other increases will only, at best, bring them back up to the level they were before. What we need is financial and material resource funding to raise the Services to the level where they are actually able to defend us properly. There was no actual statement by Cameron of doing that and what any proposed funding would be. What he did say was that there would be more Police on the Streets, with more Special Forces possibly being used on the Streets as well, with the Armed Forces alerted in reserve. That wasn't a statement on increases but a statement of using present resources which due to the cut backs are already under strain........so the thin line will get thinner. It will be a fair length of time before any funding to the Security Resources will have any real effect, especially because of having to make up the paring down in them over the last couple of years.
                               
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                              Unfortunately, if ever Mr Cameron ever plucks up the courage to put forward a Motion to air strike into Syria before the House of Commons Mr Corbyn has said that Labour MP's will not get a free vote in the matter. I think that's where a rebellion may occur as there are a lot of Labour MP's who could possibly vote how they feel and not how they are told.
                              Cameron has yet to go before the Foreign Select Committee to lay out his plans for political changes in Syria after Isis is driven out of the country before they lift their criticisms of his present policies, and lift the pressure off his attempts to persuade MP's to vote for air strikes in Syria.:coffee:
                               
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