M 20 bridge cpllapse

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      Blimey, only one injury thank Glod :phew:

      He's gonna dine out on that one when he gets better, not many folk can say a bridge fell on them.
       
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        Yes perhaps the driver will remember next time not to travel along the hard shoulder to far when he is carrying a large Digger on his lorry :whistle:,the motorway won't be opened until Sunday:smile:
         
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          If the side of the bridge is 16 foot or below it must has a warning sign of the height

          I think the max height for loads is 16 feet 2 inch
          I've hauled loads of 16 feet with no problems but you have to know were you are going :rolleyespink: also one company i worked for had 16 foot 1 inch trailars :hate-shocked: and there gave me a load of toilet paper to delivey but i couldn't get to the delivery point because there was a bridge with a height of 16 feet and the delivery point was only yards the other side of the bridge so i had a 100 mile round trip to get to the other side :wallbanging:

          When the M5 Worcestershire was two lanes all the bridges had a nice shine to the underneath part where loads of straw would rub the bottoms of the bridges
           
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            Something smells a bit to me though - there isn't much damage to the digger for a start, and surely it would take less force to break the straps/chains holding the digger onto the bed of the lorry than it would to fracture the deck of a bridge?

            One thing is for sure, I reckon the lorry driver will be looking for employment.
             
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            It was only a pedestrian bridge.
            Think I know the one, not some massive concrete structure.
             
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              only if he/she is in the wrong, ie: load to high but if the bridge height is under 16 foot and no warning sign then not they're problem


              If it's chained on right it will not move even if the lory turns over it should stay on the bed of the lorry,
              When i was taught to load lorrys i was toled that the load should not fall of even if the lorry over turns
               
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                Warning!! - Conspiracy theory:-

                I listened to someone on the radio who phoned in to the programme and said that they had looked at an older Google Earth map and it showed a crack in the bridge. Don't know whether it's true. :noidea:
                 
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                  I can imagine that being true.

                  Where I work, when I come out for my lunchtime walk, I pass a number of walls that are leaning significantly. In the same area some houses collapsed a few years ago due to subsidence. I often ponder to myself if there is some authority responsible for checking the integrity of structures in public places, or if if they are just ignored til they fail.
                   
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                  Local authorities have a duty to inspect all their properties and public constructions.

                  Depending on the type of road and the type of local authority, there is a different authority for each type of road structure.

                  Local roads - local authority, and depending on the structure on the road it may be their responsibility also.

                  Larger and some main roads - county authority

                  National roads - The Highways Agency
                   
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                    I still say that something isn't right here - the overall height of the lorry bed and digger arm doesn't look to be unusual, and the only evidence of impact is some concrete dust on the leading edge of the arm. If the impact was sufficient to bring a bridge down, surely you would expect more damage to the digger? Notably, the lorry driver has not been arrested.

                    It does look as though the lorry was driving in the hard shoulder - is this section of the M20 one of those that are so called smart motorways? If not, why was he in the hard shoulder?

                    I agree with the sentiment that the bridge had a crack - after all, it did have hoardings/barriers up that suggest that it was being worked on. There must be hundreds of bridges in the UK that are in a pretty bad state - anyone travelling along the A4 in West London can see the equipment that has been installed to monitor movement and to run drying equipment that has been fitted to the M4 elevated section; and it is not an isolated case either - Hammersmith Flyover being another prime example. Putney Bridge was closed for months last year because inspections (instigated out of the panic that ensued after Hammersmith Flyover was found to be heading for collapse), Chiswick Bridge also underwent months of renovations as it too wasn't great; Hammersmith Bridge was due to be refurbished this year, but that was put off when an inspection revealed that Kew Bridge was rotten as a pear, and that is currently undergoing refurbishment works.

                    You only need to look at the state of the roads in this country to see what a state our infrastructure is in.
                     
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                      Well, a quick look at Google Street View images from October last year show the hoardings in place, and a ruddy great crack in the middle of the bridge deck.

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                      EDIT - Look at the shape of the crack/joint, and then look at this:

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                        Great spot @fat controller! I reckon the lorry driver transporting the digger owes you a very large drink! Think the Highways Agency have some rather awkward questions to answer.
                         
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                          I'm afraid we've seen in the past where the little man gets used as a scapegoat when avoidable accidents happen.

                          I remember a case of a car driver crashing onto a railway. He immediately used the emergency phone to report that his car was on the track. Too late. A freight train came along and hit it. I can't remember the rest but people died. The car driver was blamed in full, despite the fact that it emerged during the investigation that the freight train had reached that location a whole 45 minutes before it was cleared to be on that stretch of track.
                           
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                            Although it seems as there's a crack in the footbridge I'd be inclined to check out some of the other footbridges to see whether there is the same pattern there.

                            It could be that they are made in sections with those being the joints. I know they're made in sections.

                            The picture of it on the ground makes it appear as though the part running vertically up from the ground is a smoothed off section. This is likely to indicate that it was built like that. The L shape above also makes it look as though it's made to rest on another section.
                             
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