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Moving more toward perennial/herbaceous planting

Discussion in 'General Gardening Discussion' started by Fat Controller, Aug 31, 2016.

  1. Fat Controller

    Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

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    This year has been an utter disaster in gardening terms, with us getting off to such a bad start that we basically abandoned growing anything annual around mid-May. Add to that fact that my health is not fantastic, and I have days (like today for example) where I am in considerable pain, which knocks the energy right out of me), so I am thinking of increasing the amount of perennial and/or herbaceous plants to reduce the amount that I am bringing on from seed each year.

    I still want to do some annual stuff from seed, for baskets and planters etc, just not as much.

    My soil is clay-like, but I have improved it with lots of organic material over the years. I already have some hardy fucshias, and wouldn't object to a couple more, and I do like a nice scented rose (although I would be the first to admit that I am nowhere near as skilled as some of our resident experts here); I love lupins, but seem unable to get them to last more than one year, and I have a soft spot for mallows -- I have three lavatera bushes, but they have succumbed to some sort of ailment or damage this year and are all but dead, so will be coming out. If I can, I would like to add a bit of all year interest, as currently my garden is pretty much a mess over winter.

    So ladies and gents, any advice/suggestions for plants I should consider and any special planting methods that are required?
     
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    Hardy Salvias spring to mind, mine have been flowering non-stop since the spring, they can be a bit tender but if you get away with hardy fuchsias then they will be OK.

    Hebe is even easier and good for year round interest.

    I wouldn't be without Hellebores for winter/spring - dead easy, and very hardy.

    Hardy geraniums are another easy one, I've got Rozanne which again flowers all summer and doesn't self seed all over the place.

    I have lots of different Euphorbias in my garden, I love them for spring colour.

    Also consider bulbs, daffs are cheap and easy and carefully picked varieties will give you flowers over a couple of months.
     
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      Thanks John :)

      My weather will be pretty similar to yours as you know, so I should get away with anything that you have growing. I am pretty sure that Rozanne is the hardy geranium that I have next to the greenhouse - will it propagate from cuttings?

      The Hellebores look interesting too - Crocus have a few nice varieties on their website (if a little expensive); I'm not too sure about Euphorbias though - are they not toxic/skin irritant? Just thinking ahead with regard to our dog and the potential for visitors with kids...

      I do need to get new daffs at some point (mine are really old, and really tired looking), and wondered about tulips also. Would tulips grow up through grass as daffs do?
       
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      • Redwing

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        You say you have 'clay like' soil.....I guess that means clay? Most of my gardening experience has been on clay soils and I find shrubs and perennials do better on clay than annuals. Roses; I like the shrub roses, do well and look good in mixed borders. Herbs like marjoram and rosemary do well and stay green through the winter with the rosemary flowering early. Japanese anemones, lilly of the valley, cranesbill geraniums, sedums, daffodils, the perennial sweet pea are a few things that are easy on improved clay.
         
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          I am on the edge of London, so I assume that it is London Clay - bit darker in colour than I expected clay to be, but it is definitely heavy and goes rock hard in really dry spells.

          I must admit that I hadn't considered herbs - sound like a good idea :) I love the smell of Lily of the Valley, but worry that it is a bit of a thug? Never heard of a perennial sweet pea before (I shall Google that one!) thank you :)
           
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          Good advice here from shiney: http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/propagating-hardy-geraniums-easy-peasy.44593/

          Yes they leak a white sap if you break the stem which is a skin irritant to some people, it doesn't seem to affect me much - no worse than weeding dandelions.

          I think some varieties will naturalise, it's not something I've got experience of though - all mine are in borders.
           
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            Lathyrus latifolia, aka everlasting pea, grows about 1.5m and is pink/purple.
             
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              image.jpeg Here you go FC the everlasting sweet pea:smile:
               
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                Lavatera isn't as good as it's cracked up to be, FC, they do seem to go tatty and die off after a while. What about Hibiscus syriacus? Makes a good, upright shrub with blue, pink or white, single or double flowers, some with a red or purple blotch in the middle. They self-sow here so I could send you some seedlings. They should establish OK as young plants but will flower at a young age too:)
                 
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                  If of any use. I was completely floundering with my garden due to it being far too big and I'm getting far too old! Took the plunge 3 years ago and laid down teram and bark chip . Ok a beautifully weeded bare soiled bed is far superior BUT it does make an enormonus difference to the time I spend weeding. Since laying the teram I have been able to really enjoy my garden again rather than it being a total battle. I even have enough time/ energy to increase my veg growing. Obviously you can't really use this method with annuals/herbaceous but it works very well on shrub beds. I still have huge herbaceous beds,the trick with them is to close plant,usually the plants will get going before the weeds do...no bare soil is key. Once the herbaceous gets going you can sort of let it get on with it. Yes dead heading/cutting back should (accent on the should! be done) but life can be a bit short to carry this out religiously:). I have God knows how many different types of hardy Geraniums, which are great ground cover plants. If you pm me I will attempt to identify which ones I have and could send you some bare rooted at the end of the season.They don't weigh much so all I'd ask for would be the postage which wouldn't be much. I don't have Roseanne.......ridiculously expensive to buy when others are all but as good IMO but do have Johnsons Blue which is very similar. Also have a really pretty double mauve with good foliage,a terrific little doer.
                  I always remember my late Father (great Rose grower) warning me to never let ones garden become a chore. Yes ok you do need to work hard to make it nice but it must never become a Mill stone at which point the enjoyment flies out the window.
                  Personally because I have about 2 acres of garden,I grow zero annuals and only grow a few non hardy Geraniums for tubs etc (stored over winter and restarted in the Spring......simples and CHEAP!). If you are careful about what you grow and how it can cut down the maintanence considerably.
                   
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                    Tuberous Iris provide year round "interest" and are quite tolerant of clay. Iris japonica is pretty freely available.................
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                    As already suggested the shrubby Salvia such as S.microphylla and the Salvia x jamensis cultivars should do well..................
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                    A bit more exotic but still hardy is Aloe striatula..............
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                      Alyone Huegelii, 2 metre shrub with beautiful lilac flowers, will bloom continuously for several months during spring/summer, full sun, still hardy (in the south) so needs to be in a sheltered position.

                      Perovska blue spire?

                      I just saw at Homebase yesterday, they still sell some Hibiscus Syriacus for £6
                       
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                        • Anthony Rogers

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                          For flowers in Autumn you could go for Solidago ( Golden Rod ), Aster ( Michaelmas Daisy ) and Anemone Japonica ( Japanese Anemones ).
                           
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                            Thanks @HarryS :) - I will take a look at them later - must admit I hadn't even thought about alliums

                            @Anthony Rogers I always thought that Michaelmas Daisies were biennials? Good suggestion though even if they are, as I have always liked them
                             
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