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Now THIS is the kind of thing....

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  1. Fat Controller

    Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

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    I have just watched this video on technology that has been developed in Australia to deal with waste plastics, and I am left saying to myself that we simply MUST push this to the fore. Of course, I completely agree that we need to reduce our use of plastics, but we are not going to get rid of them completely - surely this is a good solution?

     
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      It looks good, FC, but it's not as simple as it seems,i.e: Hot water and pressure means energy and just how energy efficient is that? We never get anything for "free" and so my cynic soul suspects that there are downsides to it that are not mentioned in the video.......so, seemingly a good idea but it needs investigating properly by independent sources.:cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
       
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        Oh absolutely, I agree there is nothing for free and there is going to be energy required - but, what is to stop that sort of site being coupled with a wind turbine, solar panels and even a waste incineration plant that makes electricity out of any non-recyclable waste?

        We can't not deal with waste just because there is a cost attached - if we don't, we will be swimming in the stuff.
         
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          We need to reduce the use of single use containers. I only buy a bottle of water when I am travelling as I pack so tight, there's no room for anything but clothes and necessities, but I get fed up seeing people at the grocery buying multi cases of 500 mil water bottles. Some people do have problems with their well water and need an alternate but big, reusable containers are easy to source. Going back to reusable glass containers for lots of things is perhaps a good thing. Put a serious bounty on them (deposit) helps get them back where they can be reused.
           
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            Plastic eating cows

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            Yes that's plastic silage sheet and the cow eat it all
             
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              Well we won't have any cows if they have their own way, they say that the cows and other animals that we keep for meat is causing global warming. The land will used to plant trees and make forests. Also to build houses on.
               
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                The cows/beef animals are only a part of the problem(yes they fart and burp), it making the food they eat that is, most of the food for animals is ship all round the world, even on the British farms now silage can be hauled miles form field to farm as farms get bigger they're buying land miles away some 30+miles

                As a lorry driver I've hauled many loads of animal feed, here a good one, loaded at Portbury docks with 29 tons of Maize Gluten hauled to feed mill near Liverpool, mt to Liverpool docks and load with 29 tons of Maize Gluten to be hauled to a feed mill just outside the gates of Portbury docks, This is why with have Global Warming
                 
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                  Yes i agree, i think that they're trying to put the blame on the animals, as you say it's not just them.
                   
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                    I'm totally fed up with all this, plastic is not the problem, cows are not the problem, diesel cars are not the problem, power stations are not the problem.

                    It's people that are the problem, and there is far too many of them.
                     
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                      Yes you're right.
                       
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                        That's a myth Pete, there is more than enough room on this planet to accommodate the people well into the future; it simply appears over populated because we build and build and build in small areas. Building is easier and simpler that way. If we create a new city from scratch for example think of all the infrastructure that needs to be created but it would spread people out a bit more. It's a cost decision, same as recycling, cleaner fuels and pretty much everything.

                        If governments looked at the system and the requirements for it to be relevant and sustainable without such an eye on cost then just about everything could be improved. Utter pie in the sky I know but it's not that we can't do things, it's that we won't; and by we I mean business, government and even households.

                        Back to the recycling of this plastic - I think it's utterly brilliant. I love that their first commercial plant is in the UK, let's hope it's successful. This is the base process after 10 years of testing; in another 10 years it will be improved and be able to process even more volume of waste plastics perhaps even retrieving it from landfill to reduce the burden. That would be great :)

                        I was going to send them a note to see how I could get involved but they're up near Middlesborough so the commute would be a bit of a problem for me! Actually, the location may very well have been selected due to the ease of access to wind and wave energy but that's pure guesswork.
                         
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                          pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                          It's not all about the amount of room it's more about total domination of the planet at the the expense of all other species.
                           
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                            I'm not so sure, Loofah:dunno: It's partly about space, but it's also about the finite resources that we are wasting and greedily using up. It's about the way we are pushing back forests, species of animals, insects, to exinction, and polluting our oceans etc.

                            You got there before me, pete.:love30:
                             
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                              I think it is that exact attitude from people who class themselves as green and environmentalists that put me at odds with the whole load of rubbish that it is.

                              They want to save the planet?
                              No, basically they want to save human beings, anything else can go in the process.

                              All this rubbish about climate change is yet again about saving humans, we get rid of red meat and all go veggie, where are they going to grow all this veggie stuff to feed an ever increasing population?
                              Palm oil should be the wake up call?

                              If you went to the doctor with a brain tumor and he gave you an aspirin to stop your head aching, would you be satisfied?:biggrin:

                              Some hard facts need to be looked at globally, and until they do they can poke all this climate change as far as I'm concerned.

                              It's good that they are trying to come up with ideas for recycling plastic, at last. I've been putting mine in the recycle bin for years now, and it appears they have just been chucking it in the sea.
                              The world has gone mad, or maybe its just me.:biggrin:
                               
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                                Hmmm, can I sit on the fence on that one, pete, while I eat my vegetarian. processed, chemically treated Beef Burger.:scratch::doh:
                                 
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