Pillar box red Clematis

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  1. Glynne Williams

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    Looking for the above but most that we've grown seem to be maroon. What about Rebecca? Have you grown it and was it a 'real' red?
     
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    To honest, Glynne, I really don't think there is a real red out there as yet. I have grown Rebecca, but don't have it in my collection of Clematis now, and it never grew as a real red when I had it.
    Trying to determine the real colour of plants, when not in flower, is hard
    due to the false colours of labels, Computer images and the sometimes misleading marketing blurb describing a plant.

    Clematis "Rebbeca"
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    Clematis "Rouge Cardinal"
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    Clematis "Avant Garde"
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    I've got both of the above in my garden and both are nowhere near as red as they say they should be, at least in my Cottage style garden.:dunno::doh::cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
     
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      Thanks for the response! Read what you say elsewhere but just hoped this might be THE one! I also looked at pictures of those you show. I had an arch put up and planted Rambling Rector on it and also Rambling Rosie. We think the latter was not sent, but something very inferior as it's hardly grown but the clergy man's romping away (reached top one side and taunting the one on the other only halfway up! Rosie's about a foot up! Perhaps I should plant a really fecund red-in from David Austin. The only time I've been to Chelsea I sat with the old bloke for about an hour chatting gardening. I was after an opinion (!) of Paul's Himalayan musk. Very good he said but have you got Gertrude Jekyll? It'll grow 12'! Well I did have one next to an arbor with Montana on it. Over the years the thug clematis grew over the rose and that was it! NOT! A couple of years ago up shot this pinkish white rose above the clematis! Too high to prune, it produced 12 blooms this year! The old bloke was right God bless him!
       
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        I like Dave Austin but only buy from them, Glynne, if I want a rose to flower and settle in more quickly and flower in some form that year otherwise I normally buy bare root stock. I'm lucky in that I buy from nearby Commercial Rose Growers of which there are lots, but I also buy online from Style Roses and other reputable growers

        Yep, that does happen I bought a Rose, from a Plant Nursery, labelled "Uncle Walter"...
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        but instead I found it to a be a large flowered pink turning to white rose.......

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        so it's stayed because it is a nice rose with a good scent even if I don't know it's name.

        Given the right conditions, purposely or accidentally, some climbing Roses will get beyond their growing description. I have a Madame Alfred Carriere in the far corner of my Wlldlife pond which has run along the West fence right into my Lilac "Madame Lemoine" nearly 30 feet away!, but as I already have climbing Rose "Bathsheba" now climbing through the Lilac I will have to cut Madame Alfred "Carriere" back to the fence of the Wildlife pond.
         

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          What a great looking fence! No my climbers came from a reputable grower, and were bare root as it happens (ive forgotten who they were mind!) Not that worried about the strange red one - it might still come good! David Austin is only about four miles away and we often go there - the foods good, and always a good place to visit. Mind you your pictures are just as good! As it happens I really like Gertrude and talk to her a lot!
           
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            We've got a common fence with a neighbour who I've aided with the gardening this year so perhaps I'll try to emulate your wonderful display
             
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              I must confess, Glynne, that I have the occasional "conversation" with "Madame Alfred Carrier" about her ambitions to take over the other roses on the West bank of the Wildlife pond and have to take action now and then to keep her within bounds, but then I do tend to converse with other plants when planting, pruning, deadheading them:heehee:
              I think Clematis, whether Pillar Red or not, are the classical mix with Roses and especially climbing roses.:love30:
              These are on the West Bank of the Wildlife pond
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              The fence of Clematis, Jasmine and Honeysuckle
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              But around the Arbour I have Rose "Alchemist" on the North side and, now, Rose "Creme de la Creme" on the South side with a number of Clematis and Honeysuckle mixed in.
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              But it all takes time to discover which Clematis likes certain situations and along with that comes losses when trying to find what will be happy and thrive and what won't/:dunno::doh:and all we gardeners can do is to keep trying......while trying to find a proper, reliable, true red Clematis:wallbanging::heehee:
               
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              What great pics! liked theBlack n blue! Re red clematis - your experience agrees with masses of folks regarding colourand fecundity. Looking again at red cĺimbers/ramblers. Not bought anything yet though.!
              Still trying to decide which çamera to buy for my seated garden pictures! These new super zoom bridge camerasseem interesting, as some are cheap enough for me. Don't want to spend on a DSLRfor macro but these bridge do good macro it seems, but many have no viewfinder so not sure about using a screens focus automatically? The giant zoom allows to shoot my goldfinches from inside!
               
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              All of your pictures look so charming, I can only imagine the scent, must be wonderful.

              We have a lovely jasmine in a pot which really needs a bigger pot but holding off as we are hoping to move house in the next 12 months. So (aside from the dogs digging things up) we only garden in containers at the moment. One reason to move is to get a bigger garden with enough space for flowers, veg, fruit and dogs!

              I digress... my question is I have bought a clematis, honeysuckle and jasmine (from Aldi I must point out) and potted them up into pots four times the size they came in. I have them in the green house with the intention to plant them when we move (whenever that might be), is the green house the best place for them for now, through the winter, spring and then possibly into next summer? It does get hot in there, but it’s position (backing onto a fence and right side against a shed, door pointing north) means it gets sun part of the day only.

              Bit of a long shot question but you all sound very expert in this field. Thanks in advance.
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                Sounding, Tinkerbelle, is a lot different than being:dunno::heehee: I often post to newcomers that we don't actually have "Experts" on GC but rather members who are really knowledgeable due to the long time they've been gardening along with their experience of successes and failures:doh::love30:

                Well, both could stay out during the Winter as they are both hardy perennials, with Honeysuckle being probably the harder and tougher of the two. The Clematis could stay in the Green House, if you have any really hard frosts, to protect the roots as it's in a pot...so long as you can remember to water it every now and then to keep the compost damp but not soaked. I'm sure other members will help with their advice and expertise.:cat-kittyandsmiley::coffee:
                 
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                  Hi Glynne, there is such a choice of great cameras out there but you should find something to suit your needs.
                  I use a Pentax K5, as you know, which I bought new years ago and along with that came their standard 50mm lens and also a 18-55mm lens. But then I went on e-Bay and started buying second hand Pentax lens from wide angle to telescopic and then macro although I tend to use extending tubes for really macro/micro stuff.
                  I also have some Tamron and Sigma lenses so there are around 22/23 lenses in the collection and some of the Pentax lenses are getting on for 55 years old:old:but their reputation for making really excellent "glass" in those days is/was unbeatable and the lenses are like new. So I use a Digital SLR but extend it's range by using interchangeable optical lenses for macro, micro, and telescope work as digital zooming tends to "pull" the centre of the images out so it's not, in my opinion, as sharp/good as optical to make while the lenses on the camera can be fixed when taking the shot. There are some that do extend the lenses but it's mostly the software that does the zooming and sharpening of the image.
                  It's all up to the person taking the images as to what suits them and I don't really think one is better than the other in the range of Bridge Cameras as they are all good but, even with my Pentax K5, there a lot of software in them working out the best images. I would, however, whatever you get, go into the camera settings to see if the manufacturer's default settings are what you want and, if not, you can change the contrast, sharpness, highlights, shadows etc to your liking after a bit of experimentation. I quite often use a telescopic lenses for taking "macro" shots when I can't get to close in case I might disturb an insect or bird as it also gives you a very short depth of field.:dunno::heehee:
                  I took this one using a Pentax 80-320mm 40 year old Pentax lens when on a river bank and the Nymphs were about 15' away
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                  and this one using a 90mm macro lens with a extending tube..

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                  Let us know how you get on choosing your camera.
                   
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                    Thanks @ARMANDII great advice. All three are looking happy at the moment, I’ll keep a weather eye on them.

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                    Thanks for your response! My old film camera is an olympus IS 3000. Not interchangeable lenses but I did add extension tubes via a filter. Years ago I'd used an exacta and a praktika, but the olympus had better glass. It was of course film although I had every film back from Boots as a disc with 20 or 30 digital frames. As long as I used a tripod then macro was fine. However when I got it out and put in batteries saved in the bag the camera didn't always work properly! Could be rotten batteries of course so I think I will buy fresh just to try! If all well then I will buy a macro lens thats available and use the disc system which other firms offer it seems.
                    However I could just get a cheap modern digital for £200 or so which will have a zoom so large that I won't have to use my seat to use!(have I said this already?) Its the lack of viewfinder that worries me as using an LCD screen seems alien to the macro process somehow?!
                     
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                    Yes, it's one of the reasons I've stuck with an optical view finder as it gives a better, clearer view and has a laser range finder in the centre. I've never found a LCD that was bright enough in daylight or didn't get some sort of reflection on the screen surface that made it difficult to see.:wallbanging::gaah:. I reckon that the K5 is tough enough and good enough to outlive me:dunno::heehee::old:
                    I have been tempted, once or twice, to get the K1 full frame, 36.4mp, sensor but, Naaah, my faithful K5 is more than good enough for me, Glynne . Having said that, I've seen images that were taken with a £6000 camera and images taken with a £60 camera and reckoned that the cheaper camera took a better picture:dunno: It's all down to the person taking the picture as to how good it is in my opinion. Just as an aside my first camera was one I bought in the 60's while a fresh faced "erk" on No.III Squadron (the Black Arrows) which was a Halina 35X film camera which leaked light and had to be cocked with a lever on the side of the lens!!!
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                    But it took some great pictures ....................
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                    but I do prefer my K5 :dunno::heehee:
                     
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                    Thanks for itemising your fears regarding LCD versus Viewfinder situation, in an enjoyable way! They are what I feared! In normal times id be able to go to a shop and try some cameras, but so far I haven't done that. However there is a Jessops a few miles away so perhaps I should pluck up the courage and go there. I'm surprised at how sedentary I've been this year a combination of covid and arthritis! Still onward and upward! Thanks again
                     
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