Plant magic

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    Like many, I have at least a casual interest in the claimed (and sometimes proven) health benefits of plants.

    But, what I don't understand is, how come the more devout advocates of health given herbs and fruit and nuts etc don't live forever, looking eternally 21 years old and super fit.

    If you read some articles about various plants, they cure or prevent serious diseases, they aid weight loss, rejuvenate the liver, make the skin super vibrant, reverse cardiovascular degradation, regulate blood pressure, boost immunity, boost brain function, generate energy, heal injury, etc etc ad infinitum.

    I'm not suggesting for a second that none of it is true, but I do wonder how some articles are considered credible in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
     
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      Given that most of the tripe that is put on BookFace is taken as credible and believable, I can't say that I am surprised.

      Besides anything else, the 'powers that be' can't seem to make their minds up what is bad for us, and what is good for us! It seems to change almost weekly.

      I have long since gone past the village of "Caring", and have slid past the suburbs of "Couldn't Give a Monkey's", and I realise that no matter what I am going to die at some point or another, pretty much regardless of what I do or consume. Indeed, an early death is about all I have to look forward to in many ways - I have no chance of ever owning a home, nor having a way to have a pension for my old age, so I say Boswelox to them all and raise my glass of Scotch in salute.
       
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        Boswelox is a good word.

        @FC, I send big friendly man-hugs your way to rectify your feeling that you have little to look forward to. I feel like that quite often. You could always create something to look forward to. For me, while I patiently waiting for my general mojo to return, I count on my goal of being awarded a black belt at my martial arts club to look forward to. In fact very recently, I've been starting to have thoughts of setting up my own club when I reach the required level. Perhaps you could find something that similarly inspires you.
         
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          I have just, in the past week, embarked on a bit of a journey.

          For a number of years, I have been the sole designer and administrator for a database that is essentially a whole business solution for my employer. The trouble is, it has gotten to the point where they are extracting the urine.

          So, about a week ago, an ex-employee of mine and I got together over a cuppa and it transpires that she is a partner in a business (fledgling) in a local haulage company. So, I have agreed that I will provide a database solution for them (negligible cost) to get them on their feet on the understanding that I get free recommendation/advertisement from them.

          Further to that, I have (in short) told my employer that if they want to develop my project across all sites, I want paying for it. We have a similar size database in operation, and I know for a fact that the contract cost started at £1.5m and went up. I am no longer prepared to do what I am doing for nothing. With any luck, and a prevailing wind, I might just have the makings of an independent company on my hands. Better still, the aforementioned ex-employee is now also in the property game, as well as venture capital, and I already have a capital investment offer on the table.

          Watch this space...
           
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            That's excellent FC. Best of luck with it.

            And while I have absolutely no doubt you know what you're doing, both in terms of the project planning and management, and the technical nitty gritty of software dev, that's what I do, so if ever you need to bounce ideas or challenges of a fellow techy, feel free to give me a shout.
             
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              Maybe it's because they are promoted as "beneficial" and not the elixir of life?

              Looking at how life expectancy has altered over the past century, I'd say they have proved beneficial for many :)
               
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                Sounds a brilliant idea and I wish you lots of luck.

                You need to be wary of some employment laws where most contracts contain sections that anything developed whilst working for them belongs to them! Sometimes you can get away without a problem if all the work was done at home and, also, not using any equipment of theirs. If your systems have been installed at work they may even have some claim over them.

                Your new prospective employer/partner may need to check into it. It may come under Intellectual Property Rights but I'm not sure.
                 
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                  I can confirm they don't work.

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                    Indeed, many advocates use terms like 'beneficial' and 'may'. That's fair enough. I don't doubt that many plant based foods offer various health benefits. It's just that while some articles will explain that such and such a plant contains lots of such and such a nutrient that is believed to support such and such, many (probably more) articles make such bold claims they're almost saying that centuries of scientific research count for nothing, and you never need any kind of medicine, you just have to eat this particular fruit.

                    Some advocates do actually refer to conventional science, but twist It, and I don't understand why because I don't believe they gain anything from it. To give an example, there are lots of claims that grapefruit aids weight loss. Often such articles refer to actual science that says there's a compound in them that does indeed work with the body to reduce fat storage. One actual scientist was on about this very point on tv a while ago. He figured that for an average adult to get enough of this weight loss compound to have an effect on the body, they'd need to eat 17 grapefruits for breakfast, but if they did, they'd be eating something like 2 kg of sugar.
                     
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                    Those are the ones that I would trust more than the others. There's no need to stretch the, possible, truth. There's no doubt that some foods and plant based supplements are beneficial - after all, that's the basis of a lot of 'scientifically proven' products.

                    Being judicious about what you take/eat and doing some basic research could be of advantage to you.

                    After all, look at me, I'm 150 years old! :old: :snork:
                     
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                      No Shy Knee :nonofinger: that is merely how old your back is making you *feel*; we all know you are a spring chicken of ...






























                      ... 101 :whistle: :heehee:
                       
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                      Darn it!!! Foiled again. :doh:

                      You've been reading my profile. :thud:
                       
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                        Nothing to do with medical advances, the reduction in smoking or the fact that we are generally more affluent and the general diet of larger numbers of people is better (as opposed to those who are out seeking the latest in vogue super-food)? Add to that the reduction of industrial related illnesses and widespread vaccination programs and I would be disappointed if we weren't living longer.

                        'Cos they lack a balanced diet?
                        I for one have a diet that is based around tomatoes, mushrooms, chilli, onions garlic and ginger which is apparently a really good base point. Out of season fruit is consumed prodigiously and when we're bad (lasagne, moussaka etc.) we try to be good and balance it out with a salad on the side. Despite eating prodigious quantities of cheese, far too much red meat (apparently) and being a smoker I've just sailed through my MOT:hapydancsmil:
                         
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                          We have to think back to the centuries leading up to pharmaceutical companies. Plants have been used for hundreds of years to treat medical conditions. Okay, some of them had dire consequences but the majority worked for the ailment they were treating.

                          I heard something new today. Pineapple juice will ease a hacking cough, my daughter-in-law proved it in the early hours of this morning. :)

                          Unfortunately my body objects to most modern medicine so I have to look for natural remedies for my health issues. I also control some ongoing issues with diet.

                          Longk is right, with a balanced diet the body should stay on a fairly even keel. It's been said the years through World War 2 were probably one of the healthiest eras. Why? Because during rationing the nation had to grow a lot of their own food, animal or vegetable.
                           
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                            I'm not for one second doubting the claims that many plant based foods offer health benefits, and some are positively medicinal. In fact I try to look after myself and my family, in part via healthy diet, and I will tweak that diet on occasion to help speed recovery from ailment or injury or to positively alter mood, or prepare us for an unusually physically demanding time such as our quarterly seminar and testing day at our martial arts club. I have a reasonable knowledge of what runs out fastest in given circumstances, and what foods provide the fastest release of the highest quantities of things our bodies need.

                            But, working with nature to support one's self nutritionally is one thing. It seems however that the world , or at least the internet, is rapidly filling up with charlatans that exaggerate potential benefits to a completely implausible magical level. I sometimes wonder if such authors own shares in Holland and Barrett.
                             
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