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Pruning old roses

Discussion in 'Roses' started by Glynne Williams, Mar 8, 2022.

  1. Glynne Williams

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    Have a very old Peace (planted 1985 to remember Nanny, so we call it Nanny's Rose!) As all other Peace have grown its been fantastic and easy to prune. However, over the years, it's become leggy. Aware that you should not prune down into old wood I havent! However I noticed I had a couple of those great 'new' green shoots coming straight from the ground so I've decided to cut away a couple of 'old' brown original shoots, and of course their branches built up over time.
    Thus am I going to lose this old friend?
     
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      No, very much doubt it, I have many roses some of which do sprout the leggy long stems that appear every year, I cut them down as close as I can get, sometimes even scraping the earth away to get right down amongst the root, experts of a bygone age always said it was best to pull them up rather than cut, darn near impossible, I have tried.....
       
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        Good afternoon @Glynne Williams your beautiful Rose will be ok,my friend are we assuming that the new green shoots are Suckers or Basil shoots:smile:

        With the greatest of respect my friend the experts of a bygone and a Modern age are correct if you want to remove a sucker you should pull it off ,if you cut it off it will 100% grow again .;):smile:
         
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          @Glynne Williams I definitely think the best thing is to post a few photos, nothing will convey its current condition better! Are the new shoots truly coming from the ground or simply very close to it, could be suckers, it's occasionally very hard to tell. One can often prune harder than it appears initially and I suspect that may be part of the issue here.

          I still think pulling off is the better remedy, as cutting can often stimulate further suckering, but the problem seems to be that one has to dig far under the emerging shoot to manage it effectively IME. :dunno:

          EDIT: Oops, my apologies Woo, posted before I realised you had! :doh:

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            Good afternoon @Nikolaos my good friend no worries I concur with your excellent post which contains some important points that I left out;):smile:
             
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              Sucker leaves have three pairs of leaflets like a wild rose, but garden roses only have two pairs.
               
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                Good afternoon while most of the hybrid teas and floribundas have just 5 leaves, many of the roses belonging to the other groups have 7, 9 or even more leaflets. There are no hard and fast rules to distinguish a sucker but generally the leaves have 7 leaflets and are a rather pale green, as are the stems which are often smooth with few thorns. If they flower they will have 5 petals and will be a very pale blush white. Suckers come only from the rootstock on which the garden rose is budded and so will only come from below the bud union. The young growth from some roses can be very vigorous and look out of character and rather sucker-like, so do check carefully before cutting these otherwise you may well ruin the plant.:smile:

                The old story about true roses having five leaves and suckers having seven came from when most people only grew Hybrid Tea and Floribunda roses.

                Now that people grow lots of different types of roses, and many modern roses have all sorts of varieties in their heritage, it's not true.

                Many lovely rose varieties have more than five leaflets per leaf.
                 
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                  Wiseowl I know that is why I mentioned it, totally agree and do use that method but I'd defy anybody to come here and try to pull a sucker from some of mine that have been here for nearly 40yrs, I was just trying to assure the member that the Peace Rose would be okay. as it is an old one..
                   
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                    Thanks very much for ALL your suggestions and contributions. The GREEN shoots are basal shoots and were LAST year's green shoots and not suckers. I do have two main shoots with their 'branches' which might allow the plant to survive. However my main reason for asking the original question was to discover if anyone has had buds arrise from pruned BROWN shoots. Are there specific varieties which DO buds on brown wood?
                     
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                    I've just been out and took this shot of new shoots sprouting from a brown stump, I moved a lot of roses Aug 2020, completely the wrong time and I also had to cut them back to do it, "what don't speak don't lie" IMG_3225.JPG not sure if its plain to see but it is sprouting from a brown stump , its not a sucker and will reshape my rose, was very onesided last year but did flower ...
                     
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                      @Lincslass...... I grew up in Lincolnshire.
                      Your picture shows a shoot coming from old wood with greyish bark, but still alive. At the bottom left of your rose is what I call brown wood and this is dead and won't shoot, quite often the bark has gone.
                       
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