Roses question

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  1. Passport1

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    My roses are in full bloom :-)

    I've noticed that they've not sooner bloomed than they leaves start to fall off. See attached pics.

    I based in Dublin and it is quite windy this summer so some would say that could be the reason but it was same last year. They were planted in 2014

    Any reason why this happening or are they just a very delicate breed?

    Also, I pruned the rose bushes/shrubs back in March before growing season started. Am noticed that the branches are all weighted down and spread out all over the place - probably due to large volume of flowers. See attached pics Any suggestions for trying to contain the branches or tie them up or am I better leave well enough alone

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    Good evening @Passport1 my friend can you give me the name of your roses please:smile:

    Of what I can see it looks like a single flat Rose,are you sure its not a climber/ground cover /Rose that would explain a lot:smile:
     
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    Thanks WiseOwl for the reply
    Unfortunately I have no idea what the name of the roses are... :-(.
    But I attach a few more pics of the roses - closer up shot this time and maybe someone else here or yourself might be able to identify the type ?
    Thanks in advance for any advise and help
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      Good afternoon @Passport1 I tend to think that it is just a natural process as they look very healthy,I think it is a Floribunda :phew:is there any small chance of a petal count my friend and I am only thinking aloud here,I'm wondering if it could be iceberg it comes in several different blooms,Semi-Double 8 to 15 and semi-double to double in clusters.

      Floribunda. New Generation Roses ® Collection. White or white blend. Strong fragrance. Large, double (17-25 petals), cluster-flowered, in small clusters bloom form. Prolific, blooms in flushes throughout the season. Height of 30" to 5' (75 to 150 cm). Width of 2' (60 cm). Reimer Kordes (1958).

      Hybrid Tea / Large-Flowered. White or white blend. Mild fragrance. Large, full (26-40 petals), borne mostly solitary, cupped bloom form. Blooms in flushes throughout the season. Tim Hermann Kordes (2002).

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      That leaves left IMHO White Flower Carpet (Ground Cover Rose)
       
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      • Passport1

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        Thanks for the reply
        Did a quick count and there seems to be on average anything from 15+ petals on each rose
        Hope this helps
        Thanks
         
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          It looks very similar to the groundcover rose - flower carpet white but i dnt really know lol
           
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          Good morning @Dips my friend I thought that at first;)

          Flower Carpet r White[NOAschnee]
          Floribunda, Polyantha. White, yellow stamens. Strong fragrance. Semi-double (9-16 petals), cluster-flowered, in large clusters, cupped-to-flat, ruffled bloom form. Continuous (perpetual) bloom throughout the season. . Height of 1' to 28" (30 to 70 cm). Width of 2' to 4' (60 to 120 cm). Werner Noack (1991).

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          My mums flower carpet white ones are not flat like that at all they are more ruffled like the ones posted

          the red and pink ones come out flat but the white has lots of petals
           
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            Hi @Dips yes there ar at least 4 different variety's of Flower carpet,Floribundas,, Polyantha. ect and Single,or double and full and half full blooms all are a different shape and amount of Petals and at least 10 colours:smile:
             
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              Thanks all for replies and information

              So am i correct that general thinking is that this is Floribunda (English names - groundcover rose - flower carpet white) - right?

              Also regarding my other question about the branches are all weighted down and spread out all over the place - probably due to large volume of flowers. '


              Some of the branches are standing tall but other outer branches are spread out and tend to lay flat on the ground

              Is that expected for this type of Rose or is there anything i could or should do to gather them together so that they not lying on the ground

              Thoughts?
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              Good morning @Passport1 my friend with respect I cannot give you a 100% positive answer to your question,I still have to search some more and double check my findings,as it is of the up most importance that I get it right,so please bare with yours truly until I can give you an answer:smile:
               
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              Hi @Passport1 I can now confirm that it is indeed White Flower Carpet! It’s called ‘groundcover’ and makes a bush roughly 60cm tall x 1.2m wide.:smile:
               
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                Whoop so i was right then :-)

                It does look exactly the same as my mums

                My mum has used some metal loop supports to help prop hers up but i have found my ground cover roses have been helped by pruning to create stronger growth and not leggy floppy growth
                 
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                  Hi @Dips So was I:heehee: but I have to be 100% sure otherwise I end up having egg on my face:lunapic 130165696578242 5:

                  White, near white or white blend Floribunda.
                  Registration name: NOAschnee
                  Bred by Werner Noack (Germany, 1991).
                  Floribunda, Polyantha.
                  White, yellow stamens. Strong fragrance. 16 petals. Average diameter 2". Semi-double (9-16 petals), cluster-flowered, in large clusters, cupped-to-flat, ruffled bloom form. Continuous (perpetual) bloom throughout the season.
                  Short, compact, spreading. Medium, glossy, dark green, dense foliage.
                  Height of 1' to 28" (30 to 70 cm). Width of 2' to 4' (60 to 120 cm).
                  Can be used for container rose, garden, ground cover .


                  Flower Carpet White described as a new and distinct variety of ground cover rose which forms continuously throughout the season attractive long-lasting pure white blossoms... the flowers appear in clusters and the outer petals tend to be wavy... the plant is winter hardy and sets small, orange-yellow hips...

                  Flower Carpet ® Pink × Margaret Merril (Floribunda, Harkness, 1977)

                  Bransford Garden Plants says White Flower Carpet is a beautiful, free flowering ground cover rose which produces large clusters of creamy, white flowers. It can be planted almost any time of the year, in almost any soil. Once established, it has a long flowering period...
                   
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