Skripal poisoning

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  1. clanless

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    I've just seen the interview given by the 2 Russians who are alleged to have used the Novichok poison.

    It didn't look staged at all - one of the blokes even knew how high the Salisbury Cathedral spire is - surely everyone can see that they are just innocent tourists?
     
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      I do tend to agree to be honest.. I feel our government jumped on two Russian guys on holiday and coincidentally in Salisbury at the same time.. I get the feeling the govt wanted to be seen as having it all sewn up and sorted do as not to lose face.. It is just too simple... I feel if it was Russians for Putin they would have been in and out and gone before they were taken ill to be honest.. More like Russian Mafia.!
       
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      Imho all governments including our own are slippery fish with secrets,hit lists and filling their pockets at the expense of the gullible public. The press are equally slippery as are the legal system.
      Iraq dossier springs to mind if proof were needed of our own governments actions
       
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        There are only a very few that Miss Jiff & me trust, how many people are bent and twisted is unbelievable in todays world
         
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          These Russians are scared because their mission was a failure and their biggest mistake was getting filmed.Theyre scared their own side bump them off.
           
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            Weird job this one.
            It makes no sense for a nation to attempt to assasinate someone using a nerve agent that is almost exclusively associated with them. I know that Iran have copied it and I'm sure that I read that a European country had also copied it but there would appear to be no reason (on the face of it) why they would want to whack a Russian defector. No terrorist group claimed it as theirs (and if they had access to chemical weapons why stop at a targetted killing?).
            The delivery device was found and the plod and CPS say that there is enough evidence to lead to a conviction (DNA maybe?) but I'm still not sold. If we had an all seeing eye I think that we would see the dirty little hand of the CIA in this somewhere. If Iran can copy it I'm damned sure that the Yanks have and divide and rule certainly fits in with the current administrations approach to diplomacy.
             
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              Agree, if you need to remove an awkward single person, why not hire a bloke to shoot or knife him. Run over with a car. Blow the house up with petrol.

              You wouldn't really need an immediately traceable chemical weapon smuggled from abroad amateurishly applied by two people later returning home and giving interviews... when a simple payment to a third party rogue would have done the job.

              There is nothing even to show that this was just a test run to see how easy it is to transport and use a chemical weapon either.

              Puzzling.
               
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                Why not, longk? The Russians have already, allegedly, assassinated Alexander Litvinednko with polonium. Georgi Markov was killed in 1978 by being stabbed with an umbrella tipped with Ricin. Other alleged assassinations in the UK by the Russians are.......

                Stephen Moss 2003
                Stephen Curtis 2004
                Igor Pnomarev 2006
                Yuri Golubev 2007
                Daniel Gregory 2007
                Badri Patarkatsishvillii 2008
                Gareth Williams 2010
                Paul Castle 2010
                Alexander Perepilichnyy 2012
                Robbie Curtis 2012
                Boris Berezovsky 2013
                Johnny Elichaoff 2014
                Scot Young 2014
                Mathew Puncher 2016

                There was no real evidence to prove that the Russians did the deeds but the evidence needed would entail catching them in the act, and that's almost impossible.


                Well, if you have a lengthy list of of suspected assassinations attributed to Russia then, their daily intrusions into UK airspace, sending Warships through the English Channel just because they can, the annexation of Crimea, starting the Ukraine wars and denying they were sending Russian Troops, Tanks and anti aircraft missiles which ended with the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, why would they bother about using a traceable poison when they know that they can't, in practice, be brought to account? Also the Novichok used had the Russian unique chemical signature, any copies made would have a different signature, which is where the Russians fell down.........but the question is, do they care that a weak, piddly little country called the UK is accusing them........Naah, of course not.:dunno::doh::snorky:
                 
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                  Amongst all the other questions, why would an assasination need two people?
                  If Novichok is so potent how could they 'spray' (!) the Skripol's door knob without contaminating themselves and how did they do it unseen?
                  Many questions but few answers.:scratch:
                   
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                    I like these, sliced in a sandwich. Perhaps with a little pickle as well.:dbgrtmb:
                     
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                      In the interview they looked a bit strange, and had obviously read the guide book regarding Salisbury.
                      To me, guilty as hell, but do they care, NO.:smile:
                       
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                        Guilty, guilty, guilty.
                         
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                          I take my words back. This is starting to look like "ha- ha we did this under your nose and there's nothing you can do about it"- kind of arrogancy to show the home front how easily the "enemy" can be tricked.
                           
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