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Sulphate of Iron Vs Sequestered Iron

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  1. HarryS

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    My neglected Skimmia have yellowing leaves. What are the advantages of Sequestered Iron over the Sulphate ? Is it more easily absorbed by the plant . Can't seem to find a definition on Google.

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    Hope it's of some help i have no personal experience :)
    Found this link
    http://hendry.ifas.ufl.edu/HCHortNews_Iron.htm- it states and i quote

    "The recovery of plants from an iron-anemic condition can be amazingly fast. A sickly, yellow plant sprayed with iron chelates can revert to lush green condition in as little as 48 hours. When sprayed on plants, chelated iron is absorbed by the leaves. Some chelates can be mixed with water and poured over the soil and taken up through the roots. When this is done, treated plants will return to their normal green color within a week if iron is lacking"
     
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      Harry, sequestered iron for your skimmia.
      It is in a form easily taken up by plants
      Sulphate of iron is completely different and used for greening up lawns, killing moss, and acidifying soil.
      Applying sulphate of iron will make no difference to chlorosis/ yellowing .
      You can still use sequestered iron now; apply again in spring :)

      By the way, applying epsom salts is a cheap and quick way of greening foliage if there is a magnesium deficiency.....the symptoms are different to iron deficiency of course but yellowing leaves are a common feature. Epsom salts is a wonderful tonic too to most every type of plant.
       
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        HOW TO CARE FOR A SKIMMIA

        All Skimmias require the same care and luckily enough that is very minimal. These are plants which can stand a good degree of neglect although of course they do of the very best when treated correctly.
        Skimmias can be grown equally well in pots or in the open ground.

        Skimmia do best on a slightly acid soil. Before adding anything to the ground you need to know if your soil is acidic, neutral or alkaline. The best way to do this is to buy a soil testing kit online or from your local garden centre.

        Alkaline or neutral ground can changed to be more acidic by adding sulphur. The finer the sulphur the quicker it will act, Flowers of Sulphur is a common name for very fine sulphur and is avaialable online or from most garden centres.

        If your soil is alkaline I would recommend digging the soil to 30cm / 1 foot deep and adding half the recommended dose to the dug soil. Dig it in well, plant your skimmia and scatter the remaining half around the plant.


        If your soil is neutral, just add the recommended dose to the soil surface and work it in gently with a trowel. Don't go overboard with the sulphur, it's easy to make the ground too acidic. Leave it a year and then add more next year if the skimmia shows signs of leaves yellowing.

        You can add ericaceous compost instead although it's now believed that sulphur is best when planting skimmia in open ground.

        Choose a position which is in semi-shade for all of the year, full shade is also fine as long as natural light reaches the plant. North facing garden situations are ideal for Skimmias, and not many other shrubs do well in these conditions.

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        If planted in reasonably good garden soil then that's it for your Skimmia, it will be more than happy to look after itself without any pruning, feeding or other care - truly a delightful shrub for the lazy gardener! They will last for around 20 years.

        GROWING SKIMMIAS IN CONTAINERS

        When planting a Skimmia in a container it's best to remember that the plant can easily last for twelve years and twenty years is a real possibility. With that in mind choose a good container which will look good for all that time and also frost hardy.
        Our choice would be a plain terracotta pot because the colour contrasts with the foliage well. After a couple of years the pot will age with lichen and other green / brown marks and that looks fantastic, a real cottage garden appearance.

        Plant in pots full of ericaceous compost for the correct soil acidity. Feed in March and August with an ericaceous plant food and water when conditions are dry. This will be more frequently needed from June to early September.

        Rainwater is preferable over tap water as far as Skimmias are concerned. Tap water is often too alkaline and slightly acid water is preferable. Water from a water butt is the ideal solution for almost all container grown plants. Prune lightly after flowering to maintain shape and size.

        Skimmia are fully frost hardy and survive harsh winters even when grown in containers. For safety though we move our container grown Skimmia next to the house from November to the end of February. This provides some protection from harsh winds and the house protects your plant from the worst of the deep frosts. Our plant has been growing for eight years in the Midlands very successfully with no more attention than that described above.

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        Skimmia leaf yellowing

        If you click the above picture it will enlarge and you can see that the middle leaf looks healthy whereas the two other leaves have yellow marks on them. In most cases this is caused by the plant not being able to absorb nutrients because the soil is too alkaline. The solution is to top up with ericaceous compost and feed with plant food for acid loving plants. The odd used tea bag worked onto the soil surface also does wonders to turn soil slightly more acidic.

        If you know your Skimmia is growing in acidic soil but the leaves are still yellow the next possibility is a magnesium deficiency. This can affect a wide variety of plants and Skimmias are no exception. The solution is simple, add the correct amount of Epsom Salts to the ground surrounding the plant. You should notice a difference after a couple of months especially on new foliage.

        A quick search on your favourite search engine ("Epsom salts and plants") will come up with several products for gardeners to counter a magnesium deficiency. Just make sure you buy one for plants because it is also used for horses and the dosage rate will be very different! Follow the instructions on the pack and don't over apply Epsom salts, too much can also cause problems.

        The final cause of yellowing Skimmia leaves is too much sun. Skimmias prefer part shade conditions, full sun all day especially in warmer areas is not their preferred situation. With container grown Skimmias, the solution is easy, move the container to a more shaded position.

        If the plant is growing in a border the only solution is to dig it up and move it. Skimmias are tough plants and can be moved with a high chance of success. The best time to move it is in late autumn but before the frosts arrive. If the plant is too big to move, prune it in spring and then move it in autumn, don't prune it in autumn.

        Snails often enjoy munching on the leaves of Skimmia and after a wet spring they can do significant damage. They prefer the older leaves for some reason and the picture below shows this clearly.

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        Significant damage caused by snails

        The easiest solution to snail damage is either to regularly pick them off or scatter slug pellets around the area."
         
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          Not sure if there is a difference but I've used sequestered iron, and also chelated iron.
          I tend to think they both do the same, the iron is in a form that plants growing in alkaline conditions can absorb.
          Not sure a plant struggling, to take up iron growing in alkaline conditions, would be able to absorb ordinary iron sulphate.
           
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            Just the point pete.....only sequestered iron can be absorbed in alkaline conditions. :)
            For horticultural purposes chelated and sequestered iron are the same.....at least its how I have always regarded them......viz. in a form available to plants and not "locked" to them :)
             
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              Thanks for all the advice , I do use Iron Sulphate on my lawn for moss control and a tonic. But as I understand now, to feed iron to plants it needs to be in the Sequestered or chelated form , for it to be absorbed into their systems.
              Went to my local GC about 1 mile away , it has quite a large fertiliser section but did not stock sequestered iron . So ordered it on trusty Ebay !
              I'll take before and after photos when I apply it . So the Skimmia will be a lovely green or dead :biggrin:
               
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                Just an added thought Harry, skimmias benefit from a good thick mulch too....can make a big difference. Add fish blood and bone in spring as well as a spray of sequestered iron. You will prob not notice too much of difference at this time of year but you will with new growth then.

                Check your yellowing leaves .....magnesium deficiency is easy to see; yellowing between green veins and for this epsom salts is the solution.....cheaper too. :rasp: A general chlorotic look equals iron deficiency so sequestered iron.

                I have also found sulphur chips scattered around skimmias helps by lowering soil ph.

                People often forget to prune skimmias......keeps them compact and healthier:)

                Give good treatment to skimmias and they will look well.
                 
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                  The skimmia and this garden bed have been ignored for about 6 years , so a full refurb and care plan are just starting. The usually good performer Bears Breeches has looked very sickly this year as well .
                   
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                    I de-weeded and cleared the bed the Skimmia are in yesterday. Removed 2 inch of soil from around them and applied new ericaceous compost . I fed all the bed with Growmore (can't use BFB , as Molly thinks it's a sausage and digs the bed up :wagtail:) I applied the Sequestered Iron over the Skimmias and the rest of the bed. Looking at the make up of it - 2% Iron and 10% Magnesium ( epsom salts )!
                    Viewed some Skimmias in a local nursery , healthy bushy shrubs . Photo of my two below , yellowing and very gangly. Would they benefit from a hard prune ? When would I do this ?


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                      Morning Harry.....sounds good. Another spray in spring will help. Those skimmias in the nursery have been cosseted but yours will be just as good.
                      Looks a little restricted there though and prob quite dry. Make sure it doesnt dry out too much and thick mulches wilk help with that
                      Pruning? Wait until late spring and assess then but lanky stems best shortened then anyway :)
                       
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                        @HarryS Spoilsport :nonofinger:Poor Molly no waggytail for her then :heehee: but very happy Skimmias totally spoilt with here super autumn care great job:blue thumb: re the pruning I would think best to leave till Spring just in case of frost damage …...their forecasting some for next week :frown::cool:obviously not everywhere only us tough cookies in the colder regions :heehee:
                         
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