The EU are at it again

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    Good point Jenny, it makes you wonder. I wouldn't trust what Cameron says any more than whoever is in the EU demanding the money - they are all politicians so are only interested in playing games.
     
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      In effect, Britain is being fined for having the good sense to not join the Euro, and for managing, somehow, to avoid total collapse while everyone else was going bust.
       
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        Oh and we mustn't forget that this £1.7 billion bill is not THE bill. This is an additional bill, on top of our regular annual bill of around £8.6 billion.

        You could fix a fair few potholes with that sort of dosh.
         
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          I'm fuming. The timing of it has been well planned, that's for sure. The eurocrats know there's a general election coming and if the Tories get back in there will be a referendum which may well result in us leaving the EU, which they don't want because we're too much of a gravy train.

          It's an emotive subject at the moment and UKIP are rising on the back of it. Unfortunately that may mean that Labour get in at the next election, who are committed to Europe so we'll end up in an even worse situation.

          I was very sceptical about the Tories getting in at the next election, but Cameron has won me round and I think the Tories would have done ever more if they hadn't been tempered by the waste of space Lib Dems.

          I don't believe for one moment that leaving the EU would be bad for the UK. There's a two pillar system which means we could be part of the EU on a trading basis only, which is what it was originally set up to do. Not only that but there are plenty of other countries out there we could set up trading arrangements with. Britain leaving the EU would only be bad for the EU because it wouldn't be propped up by our money.

          Have I mentioned I'm absolutely ruddy fuming? :wallbanging::wallbanging::wallbanging:
           
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              I dont think this has come out of the blue, surely it was known about some time ago by our politicians.
              But the EU says, and I think the Labour party also, that it is in treaties we have signed up to.

              And there lies the problem with the EU, to be a member you have to agree with them all the time and are forced into agreements that are not in our interests.

              Its a bit late now, but I think Ted Heath's head should have been put on a spike outside the Tower of London some years ago.
               
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                I thought it had???:scratch:.................Oh, no, sorry, my mistake that's a Gargoyle:doh::heehee:
                 
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                  You know this budget deficit we have? How much is it? And how quickly would the country's debt reduce if we were suddenly £9bn or so better off each year?
                   
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                    UK National Debt
                    by Tejvan Pettinger on September 24, 2014 in uk economy
                    The UK national debt is the total amount of money the British government owes to the private sector and other purchasers of UK gilts.

                    • In August 2014, Public sector net debt (PSND ex) was £1,432.3 billion 77.4% of GDP.
                    • Source: [1. ONS public sector finances ] (page updated Sep 24th 2014)
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                    Budget deficit – Annual Borrowing
                    This is the amount the government has to borrow per year.

                    • In 2012/13 net borrowing was £115bn (7.4%) (Excluding Royal mail and transfers)
                    • In 2013/14 net borrowing is forecast at £105.5bn or 6.5% of GDP (Excluding Royal Mail and transfers)
                    UK Net borrowing

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                    Latest statistics at OBR

                    Note this graph excludes sale of Royal Mail which temporarily reduced actual borrowing in 2012-13

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                    Figures for 2013-14 onwards are forecasts.


                     
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                      So nearly 10 per cent off our net borrowing if we leave the EU - where do we sign?
                       
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                        .....And they are probably demanding this from the UK to prop up those countries that are failing, particularly Italy and Greece!
                         
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                          Not really for a change, Sheal, as Italy and Greece have also been presented with a "Bill", albeit it smaller, that they too have to pay to the EU.:dunno::snork:
                           
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                            I was thinking more along the lines of the straits they are in with that other EU great idea the Euro. :)
                             
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                            So is the purpose of the EU to keep all members weak, except for perhaps the newer eastern European members who were at least until recently strongly allied to the former USSR?

                            So we're all spending £billions per year just to be in this club, and because of spending £billions on membership, we can't afford to spend on our actual home countries, so they all become weaker.

                            I've just caught myself actually thinking about this and trying to apply some logic, but then my head started to melt, then I remembered that this is the same organisation that once banned bent bananas, and round strawberries, so I forgave myself for not being able to fathom it.
                             
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                              I've never seen the logic of using one currency among different countries, Sheal, with different politics [despite the idea of all being one], different cultures, different ways of earning a GDP, and the different demands of each countries populations. If they were all identical in abilities to earn, etc it might make sense.
                              But creating a Organisation, which has more powers than any of the countries, that can tell each country how it should behave, how to finance the running of the country, changing the laws, etc, while also demanding huge sums to run the organisation, seems madness to me. Also the fact that despite the professed image of all countries being equal it is more than obvious that only one, with one trying to emulate it, country is really influencing the EU policies.:doh::coffee:
                               
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