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The likes of B&Q verses builders merchants etc

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by Pro Gard, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. Pro Gard

    Pro Gard Gardener

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    As title, following on from the off topic debate in the water garden section.

    Personally i agree with bas regards B&Q etc, give me a wholsaler/ merchant or better still one with online ordering like BES for plumbing, or TLC for electrical stuff anyday.

    I cant stand the likes of B&Q and only use them for emulsion and or gloss paint as trade paint is so grossly overpriced for almost the same product. Only exception with paint being specialist trade products like , zinser that the likes of B&Q dont always stock.
     
  2. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    I'm in two minds about them.

    On the one hand they do put many more products on display than the traditional ones did, helping people to see what is available.
    This has moved things on, as regards what people want or need in their homes and gardens.
    They were actually spawned by the DIY craze in the seventies I believe.
    Builers merchants being very stuck in their ways took time to catch up.

    We now also have the online shops, most of the ones I have tried are little better informed than the DIY shop, although I've not tried many to be fair.

    I think if they were to train staff much better and perhaps pay a decent living wage they could take over entirely.

    Infact I know quite a few trade people who use Wickes, just because they are convienient.
    Lets face it, if you youself know what you want, you dont need knowledgeable staff, just someone to take the money, I supose.:)
     
  3. wiseowl

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    Perhaps I am Lucky But my local B and Q,s and Wickes Stores are just Great the staff are very helpful if not knowledgable:) I am (young)enough:D to remember the hardware shops where you purchased nails by the Pound and conversation by the Hour:D when a Drill you
    used was by hand and a Screwdriver fitted every Screw(and it was,nt a Cocktail):DNow
    we have the Power Drill,The Cordless drill and so on I ,I personally would,nt want to go back to the old hardware shops ,Thanks to B and Q,s and Wickes Ect I have much more choice at a reasonable price and (but do miss the Conversation):thumb::)
     
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    :)Lol......................A very big difference for me,when I go to B&Q I have to pay with my own money..............When I go to Ridgeons or Travis and Perkins(building suppliers )I put it on my bosses account.
    Seriously though I disslike Homebase very much,no personality just a money making machine.
     
  5. UJH

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    I love shopping but I DETEST DIY stores be they B&Q or an independant. In fact the independants are probably worse than the chains. There is a timber yard near us and a plumbing supplies and I find them a night mare. Over the years I have learnt to take in a list of exactly what husband wants, preferably with a sample. I think the people who work in them just like to play games and confuse me:rolleyes::D
     
  6. shiney

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    Woo, you didn't mean this, did you? :D

    I took this photo in a boatyard where they make boats 100% out of wood.


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  7. wiseowl

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    Thats the one Shiney He borrowed that must have been all of 10 years ago,next time your out that way can you ask him for it back:D there,s a drink in It for you:thumb::)
     
  8. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

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    He said that he would bring it to you when he has finished his boats.

    This is his sea-going boat


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    and his lifeboat


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  9. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    Nice boat, shame about the ladder.:D

    Health and safety would not allow that.


    Joking aside, a fantastic boat if it was built with such tools.

    where was it Shiney?
     
  10. spudbristol

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    Depends what im after but i tent to use the stax trade center near here for most stuff i need an now theyve started to do trellis an fenceing its great :D but there is a minimum spend of 25 quid so if i just need summut small i tent to go to focus :) b&q here are useless :rolleyes:
     
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    Pete, that was one of the more modern tools that was used. They made the curved planks by jamming one end between two uprights and then bending the plank to the curve they wanted and held it in place using another upright. They then put a cauldron of boiling water below the plank and steamed it for a few days. Apparently this makes the bend permanent.

    The boat yard was on the beach and under the trees on Zanzibar.

    A few more pictures


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  12. PeterS

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    Shiney, I love that top picture - just no one in their right mind would plan to build a boat like that! - but it clearly works, so who are we to criticise.

    Oh! and I don't like Homebase - too expensive, but I love the large B&Q. I like seeing the things that are available. It gives me ideas. If only I could follow them up. :D
     
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    They have been making their boats like that for centuries and most of their fishing fleet is built like that. :thumb: :)
     
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    Back to the sheds vs Builders Merchants debate: I think the comparison is difficult as they cater for different customers. The DIY sheds are great for us amateurs as we can wander around after work or at weekends looking for a widget whereas the BMs are suited to errrm professional builders who knows exactly what he/she wants and can ring up and get it delivered later that day to their site.

    I've used a few of the local Builder's Merchants recently and not found any better advice or quality of staff than at B&Q or Wickes, but the biggest issue I have with the Builder's Merchants is their pricing - its a bit like a middle east souk having to barter to get stuff at a reasonable price. I don't expect to get the same discounts as Barrets and for one or two blocks or bags of cement I am not bothered about paying a couple of quid more, but when I'm ordering a big quantity I object to paying 30% more than exactly the same thing in Wickes. I've found that one or two Merchants are happy to deal with me and when I repeat buy I don't have to keep haggling - so I go back to those, others like Jewson I opened a Trade Account with but have only used it as a last resort as they are always more expensive than others - obviously they are not interested in small fry like me.
     
  15. Freddy

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    Hi folks. I believe there's a place for both. Years ago, most people wouldn't tackle big projects, maybe put up a shelf or maybe even make themselves a bar (yuck!). Nowadays, DIYers will take on all manner of tasks, even building their own extensions. Fact is (I believe), the likes of B & Q cater very well for those types of customers, offering a vast range of all sorts of things,with a choice to match. Also, I believe we've never had it so good with regards to tools and equipment that these stores offer. OK, having said that, I do have a couple of things I DON'T like about them. Firstly, a lot of the staff don't really have a clue when it comes to specific requests of information and products. Secondly, if you only want say, a couple of screws, forget it. I have a local 'ironmongers' and he is VERY good. I can tell him the task I wish to carry out, and he knows straight away the right 'item' I need, great service which is hard to beat. Oh, one thing I should have said, many times I've been down to my local B & Q not really knowing what I need (only an Idea), so, I can just wander round until something leaps out at me. Imagine going to a builders merchant and he asks "Yes sir, can I help you ?" and you say, "I don't really know what I want". You can almost hear the rest of the staff sniggering eh ? Like I said, I think there is a place for both types of supplier. Cheers...freddy.
     
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