Two ID's please

This one is tiny, but spreading ...



At first, I thought this next one may be a rugosa, but now I'm not convinced. In fact, I have a horrible feeling it is something which is going to cause me big problems


TIA

 

Hi "M"

The first one is an Oxalis, do the leaves turn a reddish colour and does it have yellow flowers, if so I think it's O. Corniculata.... The bane of my life, it grows anywhere and everywhere, sends out runners but worst if all its seedpods explode sending them into space ( or so it seems). It's easy to pull out, it's just the quantity of it and you do have to keep pulling as it will never disappear.

 

ground elder

only joking well I hope I am , M it looks like a rose sucker

 

Thank you @Spruce and @Anthony Rogers

Spruce: it's my fear that it will be ground elder, but, I'm going to get under it tomorrow and take a look at the root to be certain one way or the other.

 

@"M" its a rose sucker

 

@Spruce - you clever thing, you! Today, I noticed some spikey bits on the stem (potential thorns?) so it must be a rose of some kind.

 

So: not a rose then? @wiseowl

 

The only problem I have with the sucker aspect is ... there is no rose in that border. There was, last year when I moved in, but we took everything bar the Choisya out. Now, I suppose it *could* be coming up from next doors garden (he's definitely sharing his bindweed! ) but, I can't see from my side if there is a rose bush at our adjoining fence or not.

I'll give it another couple of weeks and see what, if anything, develops

 

That is quite possible! I've never attempted to grow a rose from a hip, but, if it is that straightforward .... the neighbours had better watch out from now on (I may have to "deadhead" a rosehip or two on an early morning walk )

If it is a rose, it will most definitely stay and be treasured (blimey, if it's survived my two sons hedge strimming, sledge hammer approach to garden clearing, it deserves a medal!).

I just need to be certain it isn't the dreaded ground elder because, if it is, each day it thrives I'm stocking up big problems for later.

 

Excellent examples, @wiseowl

I've just popped outside and taken a couple of photos and this one is showing the development of thorns



Now, that seems to suggest to me that it is a rose after all.



And even if I am hesitating over "enjoying" it ... seems a leaf cutter bug isn't haven't the same qualms!

 

Hi "M",

The more I look at it, I don't think it's owt like Ground Elder.
The leaflets on Wiseowls look as though they're in threes whereas yours look like they're in sevens at least.