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Water meters

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by pip, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. Jocko

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    Not in Scotland, Water and wastewater are part of the Council Tax (about 21-25% depending on band). The more the value of your house the more you pay for water and sewage.
     
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    • Sheal

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      That can't be throughout Scotland Jocko. Mr S. deals with that sort of thing in our household so I'll check with him tomorrow. The reason I question it is because we have septic tank drainage and pay for that to be emptied ourselves.
       
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      Jocko is correct that the vast majority of Scottish households are charged for water and sewage as part of their council tax, however, if like us who are on private water ( lovely spring water with no chlorine or anything else! added it to it bar the odd tadpole maybe) and septic tank you don’t pay anything for water or sewage which saves us over £900 per annum. I can never quite understand why people get their septic tanks emptied regularly. There should be no need unless you insist on using vast amounts of bleach and non bio washing powders. Been in our current home for 20 years and never needed to have the tank emptied. Touch wood never run out of water despite some really dry summers like this one.
      The only snag is after so many years drinking pure water none of the family can stand “ town water” as we can taste the chlorine, yuk!
       
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      • Loofah

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        Is your tank overflowing to the local town?!
         
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        • pete

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          Or into the water table.
           
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          Blimey! We are on a meter (just one) and pay £46 month for supply and sewerage. When we were paying based on rateable value it was expensive, I have no idea what it would be now. We can't swap back once on a meter.

          I suppose water will be the next thing to double in price because of Brexit/Ukraine/Global warming.
           
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          • pete

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            I just wonder how long it will be before we start importing water. :biggrin:
            I'm sure China could sell us some.
             
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              I presume you are referring to rainwater soakaways.

              We're not on mains drainage so don't have the sewerage part of the water rates. Pre 1977 we were charged the same as those that did have mains drainage but the council (it was the local council in those days) used to come and clean out our cesspit. In 1978 the law changed and councils then weren't allowed to charge the same but only for water supplied. So they stopped coming to empty the tank. We didn't mind as it worked out cheaper to have it emptied privately but the price for that has gone up a lot.
               
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                As mentioned in my previous post, in 1978 the law changed and if you have your own tank you can't have sewerage charged in your water rates. :blue thumb: If they are charging it should be shown as 'sewerage component' and you can get it changed and ask for money back.

                The problem there is that a lot of people say they have a septic tank when they have a cesspit, which we have. A septic tank can break down, by chemical means, the solids and the liquids can eventually drain off underground through a soakaway(s) - a code of practice was produced in 1956 and came under the British Standard system (not revised until 1983).

                A cesspit is also a tank (can be made from a variety of materials, not just metal) where the solids settle at the bottom and the liquids drain off, also through a soakaway. The frequency of having them emptied depends on the size of tank, the efficiency of the soakaway and the groundwater level depth below the surface.

                My fairly extensive knowledge is because we have a cesspit that no longer works as well as it did :sad:. When we first moved here, over 50 years ago, we were able to pipe off the surface liquids, using a wide diameter hose pipe and and hand pump that was part of the tank, into the field at the back. All the neighbours (not that many of us) used to do it at the same time as it was quite smelly. We didn't need to organise ourselves to do that as we did it when the farmer was doing his muck spreading - spraying pig poo as fertiliser all over the field, that he got from the local pig farm. An early form of recycling. :heehee: Eventually they made it illegal for human liquid waste to be put on the surface.

                Our soakaways (three different ones dug over the years) used to work well enough to only need the tank emptied every 18 months. Now it is closer to every six months. :rolleyespink:
                 
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                  I thought that they were just a large under ground tank that you pumped out when full, I didn't realise it was legal for the liquid element to be released into the ground.
                  I often see the tankers struggling down country lanes.
                   
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                  Yes from the house roof .
                   
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                    Yes, the liquid element soaks away underground. By far the majority of the liquid is water from the flush of the loo with the small amount being bodily fluids that are mostly water anyway. Not a great deal of difference from peeing on your compost heap - which has always been recommended unless you are in full view of the public :heehee:. A lot of allotment owners used to keep a bucket in their shed to use and then empty it on the ground or compost heap.

                    Should You Pee on Your Compost?
                     
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                    I always have a bucket handy,saves a lot of walking. :biggrin:

                    Is it true then that the veg always grows much better closer to the place where the tank is buried.
                     
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                    Don't know as the veg plot is further away :noidea: but the willow is nearer the soakaway and you have seen the size of that! :hate-shocked:
                     
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                      There's something not right there, then, shiney! Are you sure the Company used is trustworthy?
                      This is a subject close to my heart, as I constructed our fosse toutes eaux in 2006 to the brand new rules then in force in France. All grey water had to go into the 3,000l tank, with the kitchen sink water entering via a grease-trap tank. Then the liquids are piped through a double-layer sand and gravel filter bed (double-layer on clay soil) before being piped off down to the nearest stream. The main tank is supposed to be emptied once every 4 years. BUT...if the system is working properly, as the fosse septiques did in France for centuries, there's no need to empty anything! As Hailbopp says, as long as you go easy on the bleach and other chemicals, aerobic activity takes care of the solids.
                      After a couple of years, the French water authority admitted that the new system wasn't working particularly well because the filter beds were clogging up. Their solution was to suggest that folks have the filter bed excavated and the 28 tonnes of sand and gravel sent away to be washed, then the filter bed reconstructed :roflol::loll: In their dreams! It's quite enough having to clean the grease trap regularly, despite taking care not to put grease down the sink! We were also informed that the new systems was designed to be replaced by a new filter bed every 15 years. Oh really? The French mostly ignored all the legislation and carried on with their ancient systems :biggrin:
                      Now some bright spark has decided that microfilter, pumped systems with a minimum 6,000l tank are the way forward...pfffft.
                      It's all about 'jobs for the boys' here...tank emptying, chimney sweeping, pool fences or alarms......but now we're French, we're doing like the natives and quietly ignoring the directives. A sort of passive 'vive la revolution' :biggrin:
                       
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