UK and the EU

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  1. shiney

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    That's also a load of rhetoric. They would be hit harder if we pulled out quicker, which we are entitled to do.

    As it is, although our FTSE (stock market) dropped by 500 points first thing this morning it rose again quickly and closed 3.15% down. France closed 6.24% down and Germany closed 6.82% down. U.S. are currently 3.12% down and Japan closed 7.92% down. It's fairly obvious that the financial world has its own viewpoint on what's likely to happen.

    Of course, if you think that the financial markets really know what they're doing then I've got a really good deal that I can sell you. :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
     
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    • jennywren

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      Follow this logic (posted on another forum - not a gardening forum :)) "I thought the remain side would win and I wanted the UK to remain in but with a small majority (to send a message to Brussels) so I voted to leave. I'm disappointed with today's result."
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      • clueless1

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        As ridiculous as it sounds, and bearing in mind I recently acknowledged that I myself am an idiot, I actually considered the exact same logic for a while. But then I thought, what if lots of people are thinking the same, so I voted remain.

        It might all be irrelevant anyway. The Facebook chatter seems to indicate that anyone over 25 is old and shouldn't have been allowed to vote, and it's all our fault and we've denied the youth of the very same life of lobsters and caviar served on silver platters that us 'old' people had. So they, the youth, who are so hard done by with their access to education regardless of background and their gadgets and abundant availability of low cost food might declare war on us oldies.

        Even that doesn't matter though. Because apparently there is a red button called article 50, and unless somebody actually presses it, the referendum is meaningless. But even if someone does press it, it still might not matter, because there is a petition to rerun the referendum, and it's so popular it crashed the government's website.

        That's all I've gathered so far from Facebook. All true of course.
         
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        • "M"

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          Absolutely!
          So, tell me, what are they asking Santa Claus for this year? :heehee:
           
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          • shiney

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            So, are they saying that they want to rerun the referendum but not allowing the oldies to vote? I think we should have a referendum to decide whether we do it. :ideaIPB:
             
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            • "M"

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              Noooooo, nothing so ... restrictive! :nonofinger: :heehee:
              They only want the referendum result to count IF a) the majority is 60% plus; and, b) if the overall turnout is 75% plus. Easily achievable :rolleyespink:

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              • clueless1

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                Worryingly, it's not just something a few of my younger friends are talking about. It's the mainstream newspapers that have done it by showing statistics that appear to show that young people mostly wanted in, and the likelihood of voting out increased with age.
                 
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                :doh::heehee:
                 
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                The young are full of hope,love,ideas and energy that gradually gets drained out of them as they age by a system that ends up making us all grumpy cynics that gradually realise the system will never change and the rich will just keep getting richer,the corporations will keep getting biggerand the politicians keep doing noting meanigful.
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                • pete

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                  A bit late to be starting to move the goal posts.
                  Sounds like an EU directive.
                   
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                    Well maybe more of the young should have got off their backsides and got out and voted, or at least sorted out their voting papers before the last minute.
                     
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                    • JWK

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                      Sore losers!
                       
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                      • Fat Controller

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                        She needs to take her head out of her backside.

                        The Scottish people voted against leaving the UK; separately, the UK as a whole has voted to leave the EU. If, and it is a big if as the Scots I have spoken to are fed up with endless votes and politics - IF there was another Scotsxit* referendum, then that would mean that they were asking people to leave the UK, and then as a newly single nation to join the EU - - I have a feeling that once the Scottish people are faced with the prospect of having to have Euros in their pockets, and have no subsidy from England at all and having to run their own economy, which incidentally would be based on what? Oil? Gas? Aye, right - both of those might see them through the next 20 years but they would be royally stuffed thereafter. And of course they would have to have their OWN NHS, funded and operated solely from Scotland, and their OWN defences (RAF/Army/Navy/Coastguard), and of course no BBC either. They may as well just give Putin a call and tell him that the key is under the doormat!

                        Sturgeon talks a good fight, but she couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
                         
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                          I confess, Shiney, that was not what I thought would happen, despite my fervent desire that it should.
                          I went to bed in the early hours of this morning quite despondent and convinced that the UK residents had lost the political courage and strength to retain it's own sovereignty and ability to decide it's own future due to the increasing entanglement in Eu legislation and power it was gaining over the UK.
                          So I got up this morning and went through my usual routine of filling the Bird Feeders in the garden, feeding the fish in the pond, giving the Cats their breakfast before I sorted my own breakfast out.........while, cowardly, avoiding switching on the TV:hate-shocked:. What I was doing was actually trying to convince myself that staying IN would not really effect me, as the disappearance of these fair isles into the Federation quicksand would probably not happen until well after I had shuffled off my Mortal Coil:old:, and so I was steeling myself to accept the "inevitable" news when I switched the TV on.
                          So you can imagine my surprise and disbelief when I saw the result:hate-shocked:. I actually had to look twice at the results before my brain overcame my disbelief!! Now, it is not often that around breakfast time I raise my arms in the air, shout :yes:, do a jig around the lounge,
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                          but, I confess that is what I did:dunno::heehee: So my apologies to the 51.9% of the British Public who voted OUT and doubting their courage to stand against Federalisation.
                           
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                          • Jack McHammocklashing

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                            One thing the In crowd got wrong was saying unemployment would rise if the vote were to leave.

                            The results have only been in a few hours and there's a job going in London already!!
                             
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