Latest moan from you and me - 2016

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  1. ARMANDII

    ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

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    As I said, Pete, if Russ has no other witness to the event, it's his word against the other guy's and that's how the Police will view it. Being on a lead does not make a dog less dangerous or liable to attack as, in a Court, the person holding the lead would be questioned on his/her ability to control the dog in question. From Russ's description of the other guy and his actions I would bet a month's wages that the other guy would throw the blame onto Russ and his dog. If there was another independent witness I would strongly recommend that Russ report it to the Police but as it appears that there was not, my original recommendation stands.:dunno::coffee:
     
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      As I said I very much doubt they will find the other bloke, the matter in question is that russ said he was on the ground and came off worse, so the dog attacked him as well as his dog.

      I think you're taking it a bit too far, I can't see it reaching the Old Bailey, or even a local court.

      But if we all sit on our hands and dont report things, we cant complain when nothing gets done.
      As I say, our local paper reports this kind of thing, I think they get the info from the police.
      Its just what has been reported locally.
       
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        Unfortunately, not in a Court, Linz. Police would only file a report if they knew the name and address of the other person but again Russ would also be listed as again it's his word against the other guy's, so again Russ would be in an area where he would not want to be.
        Most dangerous dog attacks are only picked up by the Police when an attack occurs and a person is injured or another animal is injured, or neighbours report the possibility.....you have only to see or read the News to confirm that. So Police won't not build reports of dog attacks without any substantial evidence or knowledge of the alleged dog or person.....ask a Copper on the Street, and he will tell you.:dunno:
         
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          Such a dreadful experience for both you and your dog Russ. The mentality of people like that never cease to amaze me. I wish you and Diesel well.
           
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            @ARMANDII , it wont go to court, it never will in a million years.

            If you can find a copper on the street, you've got better eyesight than me.
             
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              No, my point is that it wouldn't go far, Pete.:dunno: Look at other areas say, where there is a burgarly, or vandism, what is the action that a victim gets??:scratch:.......a crime number for the insurance, which is not the action that you, me or the other person would want but the catching of the criminal. If you were a Policeman called to a House where a person alleges he and his dog were attacked by another dog not under control but with the owner you would ask for evidence.......that's what the Police have to have. An allegation without evidence, name or address of the other person does not get very far, if anywhere, in the system. And, right or wrong, Russ's dog could well be listed when not deserved. Suppose the other guy had reported the incident and blamed Russ and his dog.......where does that leave the Police??
               
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              You're still missing the point.

              For the final time, it can via the media, become local knowledge.

              I'm going to bed.:biggrin:
               
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                I have no doubt that's true, Pete, but again it's Russ's word, Bless him. against the other guy's.........it's that simple. If the other guy was tracked down and then alleged that he was attacked, and not Russ, the Police would probably take it into their own hands and give a warning to both parties. Unfortunately, Justice and the Law do not always walk hand in hand :dunno::gaah:
                 
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                Thank you for all your comments and concerns. I really appreciate your views and your opinions. Also thank you for your well wishes.
                I'm sitting here thinking about what took place and if able to walk tomorrow (not looking hopeful) then will take the hound out extra early. Im tempted to then go out on my own and look out for the owner and very discretely find where they live. I then feel a phone call to the council and report a dangerous dog.
                I really value your views on here and can only thank you once more. I'd better get off to bed and keep my head together. Cheers kind gardeners.
                 
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                  Do hope both you and your dog are feeling a bit better today. My late Mum's dog got attacked and badly bitten by another dog (totally unprovoked). Her dog lost most of it's hair through anxiety, it did regrow but the dog was never really the same happy go lucky dog again. My mother reported the incident to the police as she knew the dog and it's owner. I'm afraid Armandii is absolutely right, despite knowing the name and address of the owner of the dog, the police did nothing as there were no other witnesses to prove which dog was the aggressor.
                  While it should be the other way round, perhaps you could find other places to walk your dog as if the 2 dogs meet again it could well be a repeat performance.
                  When I had a dog and lived in Edinburgh where there were many dogs in the parks I always carried a hefty walking stick for only 1 reason :).......it wasn't to help me walk! It's amazing how a dog will back off if it is confronted by a fierce "caber" wielding individual.
                   
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                    I am so sorry to read about your traumatic experience @Rustler :grphg:

                    Further advice from me would be to go to your GP and have your wounds seen to; you may need some antibiotics! Also, do have a good check of Deisel because he may well have taken a fang wound and he will definitely need a trip to the vets for antibiotics too; if any infection sets in its a whole different ball game (and mightily expensive too!).

                    I hope the sheer shock of it all soon settles down, for both of you, because it can be very unnerving :grphg:
                     
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                      Get well soon Rustler + your dog
                      With having a neighbour from hell for 20 years i can see both sides to the do you report it
                      With our things, reporting it made it worst, but there are more that one way too skin a cat (no harm to cat) see if you can talk to the dog warden about this and they may keep an extra eye open and do something if they see what's going on

                      but if this guy has done it before then the more reports the better before someone else gets hurt/killed ie young child

                      As i've reported some one for illegel things it took 2 years to do some thing about it and many thousand phone calls (i think they got pxxxed off with me phoning :snorky:) but the police did in the end :):yahoo:
                       
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                        Once again, thank you all for your advice and concerns. I thought I'd replied the other night but the post sees to have disappeared.

                        Well a small update, everything is good with Diesel dog and myself but I have suffered over the last few days where I twisted my leg but now fully on the mend.

                        This morning, I went to the field and saw the dog in question with his female owner and not very under control in the distance. I took dog back to the car and waited.

                        It turns out that they live right opposite to the field so now know where they live. I will not take any further action but can retain this information and avoid potentially nasty situations by keeping my eye out.

                        All the best people.
                        Cheers, Russ
                         
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                          @Rustler knowledge is power. Good bit of observation on your part :)
                           
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                            Our water leak saga continues. :heehee: One week on:-

                            A man turned up on Thursday morning to dig a new hole. I said to him that it may be a bit awkward because there was going to be a funeral procession starting at 11 a.m. from next door. He said that he hoped to have it all finished by then.

                            Of course, he was just the man that digs holes (which he did very quickly) and before he went away I asked whether he was going to put up some traffic lights. "Oh no! That's a different department." I said that there was going to be chaos on the road, although it wasn't too much of an obstruction, but he just shrugged and said he would call his foreman about it. The main problem was that cars come round the bend rather fast.

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                            Before he left I 'appropriated' a big Stop/Go sign off his lorry. :heehee:

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                            Fortunately the traffic lights turned up within the hour.

                            Then the leak fixer came along. (Third different department in 90 minutes.)

                            He 'fixed' the leak and was ready to go when I heard, from the neighbour, that the funeral cars were about to turn up. So the fitter, to his credit, stayed to help me with the traffic. I used the Stop/Go sign, to overrule the lights, whilst he stood by the bend to signal when traffic was coming. When the funeral cars were coming down the road I stopped the other traffic and let the cars by. They took a long time manoeuvring as they need to go past the neighbour's house before they could then back in to his driveway. I was subjected to a bit of abuse from some drivers, all women, but it didn't do them much good :heehee:

                            The fitter then waited for the funeral procession to leave, half an hour later, to help me again. I have put a thank you to their customer services team :dbgrtmb:

                            I'm not quite sure how 'fixed' is 'fixed'. This doesn't look particularly permanent to me :th scifD36:

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                            All we have to do is now wait for the next two teams to turn up. One to fill the hole in and the other to tarmac the surface. They may have a problem if they don't get it done by tomorrow as their 'road permit' runs out then. If they overrun they are subject to a big fine. That's the fourth permit they have needed for this job. Sometimes having to fill the hole in and tarmac even when they hadn't found the leak. :wallbanging:
                             
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