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Tatties 2017

Discussion in 'Edible Gardening' started by Scrungee, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. silu

    silu gardening easy...hmmm

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    I haven't grown Potatoes in years and even then it was only on a very small scale. I have reduced the amount of herbaceous plants I'm growing and thought I'd grow some Potatoes next season in the spare space. The only Potato I remember growing before and liking very much was Firs Pinks (spelling could be wrong). They were very nobbly but nice flavour and great cold.
    We are very lucky and have a specialist seed Potato grower quite close to here. (Bridgend Nursery). They grow about 130 diffrerent varieties so should have some great varieties.
    Being a virtual beginner with spuds any tips would be much appreciated. Hope they like horse manure as the beds have a lot on them. Will spuds grow reasonably well in medium shade? part of the area is quite shaded and would be good if Potatoes will grow in less than full sun. With our climate (been pretty kind winter here so far.....so far being the operative word:yikes:) we normally don't have huge issues with lack of water but do get late frosts which I presume are the death nell for Potatoes being sort of similar in requirements to Dahlias. If there is a good link for me to read that would be great and save someone having to write out reams of instructions to a novice like me. Thanks in advance.
     
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      sliu, they should grow very well in your area as you know most seed spuds are grown in Scotland as it is mostly pest free compared to further south. I think you should get away with some shade - I grow earlies at home and my veg plot is shaded.

      They are really easy. Assuming you are going for earlies then buy the seed spuds soon and start 'chitting' - put them in egg trays with the 'rose' end up ('rose' is the end with most eyes). They need to be frost free but not too warm and plenty of light. I start mine on a northern facing window sill. They take about 4 to 6 weeks to produce nice short fat sprouts (or 'chits').

      Then you can plant out. I start a few in containers in an unheated greenhouse in late feb early march, 2 to a big container with a mix of old potting compost and soil and plenty of well rotted manure/compost. Plant then on a layer of this mix and keep topping up the compost as the sprouts grow up, this encourages more potatoes and more importantly stops the tubers going green. It's good to earth up when a frost is due or cover them with fleece.

      If you grow outside you need to wait a bit longer so the the shoots emerge when the last of the heavy frosts have finished. They are not as tender as Dahlias but their foliage will blacken.

      They will love horse manure. The other thing is to ensure they are well watered, we can get a dry spell in the spring sometimes and that stops the tubers swelling.

      My earlies are ready to harvest late May early June - they are a world of difference to the expensive supermarket rubbish - well worth the effort.
       
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      • Scrungee

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        They came up on a search for a specific variety of seed potatoes, so glad I didn't assume I'd be able to collect them on my next trip over the Severn Bridge
         
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        • silu

          silu gardening easy...hmmm

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          Oh you are a:star: @JWK . Many thanks. Better high tail it down to Brigdend Nursery soon then. I was presuming I didn't need to get going until about April . Sorry @Scrungee, not exactly on your doorstep and would ruin your amazing money saving exploits by driving up here to buy some seed Potatoes from them:).
          With god knows how many varieties to choose from, any recommendations for a beginner? I like cold spuds and ones that are quite waxy. Also how about storage? I have outbuildings which are frost free except if it's very cold, how do you lot store them during the winter?
           
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          Got some more seed spuds this morning from Seed Potatoes They've not got everything in yet but had the Kondor, Bonnie and Amour that I wanted, and I'm happier going and getting varieties that can't be obtained locally rather than fret about whether they'll be left on my doorstep in icy weather if ordered online.

          The other couple of varieties I'm after will be obtained from Buckingham Nurseries Ltd Search Results when they have their potato day on 4th Feb and I'll pick the brains of the NVS experts who really know their stuff, I've found them an absolute wealth of knowledge and help, especially with growing veg for competition (whilst our village experts take their knowledge to the grave rather than potentially helping somebody who might then do better than them).

          I'd also like to visit here Dundry Nurseries - 270 varieties of seed potatoes in our database for their Potato Weekend on 21st & 22nd January, especially as small quantities can be purchased, even single tubers @ 20p each. As that weekend has absolute rubbish neap tides in the Bristol Channel, I just need to find another excuse to be passing that way
           
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            For example, I used to grow Desiree, but finding them going for 0.75p/Kg rather hacks me off after buying seed spuds, cultivating, fertilizing, planting, earthing up, covering against frost, watering, discouraging rabbits from burrowing amongst them, spraying against blight, sorting out Red Ants nests (and even wasp's nests) amongst plants, then - if you've got everything right - harvesting a load of wet, muddy, scabby, slug eaten spuds that will need somewhere frost free to store, and even then all the local mice will be after them.

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              I meant that first early supermarket spuds are over-priced for what they are. The very first ones come from egypt and you might as well buy Cadburys Smash for a better tastier alternative :) Then along come the Jersey Royals which used to be OK (when the farmers used Kelp as the traditional fertilizer), but in recent years they have lost that special taste. Home grown earlies are cost effective and tastier.

              Maincrop are hardly worth the effort from a financial point of view (especially if you can buy them for less than 1p/kg @Scrungee !)
               
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                Felt somewhat the same re the effort when I saw Cauliflowers being sold for 20p, Carrots 10p a kg and Parsnips likewise after Christmas. My freezer is full of home grown veg (produced with a fair amount of my blood sweat and tears) therefore didn't even have the room to buy any of the cheap veg on offer. No doubt the unsold veg went to landfill......criminal IMO.
                My less than perfect home grown produce might not look too attractive but does taste vastly better and hasn't been sprayed with god knows what, however, I do sometimes question if the effort is worth it when vegetables are sold at such cheap prices.
                 
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                  It is always a shock when I see the cheap veggies in Aldi/Lidl - but it's not like for like particularly regarding the taste and chemicals as you say. I think we should compare the prices of our veggies against organically grown, even then organic farmers are allowed to use 'organic' pesticides.

                  So maybe we should only compare against organically grown heritage varieties which are not always easy to find, maybe at farmers markets.
                   
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                    5Kg of spuds for 59p in Aldi Aldi everyday essentials 5Kg Potatoes 59p Was £2.24 allthough not as cheap as 2.5 Kg for 19p a few weeks ago.

                    Assuming seed spuds cost approx. £1.50/Kg, if you harvested 15x the weight planted they'd cost 10p/Kg, the same as they currently cost at Aldi.
                     
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                      Like to eat king Edward
                       
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                        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                        As with most grow your own stuff you need to grow a variety which you like, which is not obtainable in most out lets.
                        If you can buy it in the supermarket, or even farm shop for that matter, I really can't see the point of growing it yourself.:smile:
                         
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                          Depends on how much they are charging ... vs how much your time (and water bill) is worth ;)
                           
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                          Living in seed potato county, our local garden centre has over 160 varieties instant avail and can order within three days anything obscure,
                          One thing I know, is you have to BUY SEED, do not waste time on saved seed from last year, or cheap ready now for eating supermarket spuds,
                          Saved seed and supermarket eating potatoes always end up either scabby or slugged
                          Initially I thought it was a way the seed providers were trying to make a buck, though I now know from experience they are correct (trials)
                          The best seed is large hens egg size, and you can get quite a few of those at £1.45 a Kg, I have had it shown to me, and tried it myself, (The local allotmenteers here are genuine and pass on ALL Knowledge for free even the massive Leek competition growers) :-)

                          I have no interest in massive Leeks, I would rather have three Soup ones, but I have tried and almost matched our CHAMPION, Our Champion has been growing king size leeks for many years and his ground is about six feet deep in Mares Best now, :-)
                           
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                            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                            If you add it up I very much doubt you will beat a supermarket for price alone.
                             
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