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I've come across it a fair few times myself - when I see temporary traffic lights, it's always in the back of my mind. I will wait a reasonable amount of time at the red and then gingerly move forward if it looks clear ahead.

It is risky - but someone has to make the first move otherwise the roads will come to a standstill.

Reminds me of the time I worked in Warrington - moved onto the box junction - as my exit was clear - half way across - a gentleman races from the left of the junction and takes up the space I was heading for. Result - I'm stuck in the middle of a box junction with nowhere to go. I was not pleased .

 

What's common sence, the traffic lights that i'm waiting at are on red for too long, it's clear the other way so ok to go ahead even though the other light is on green but no traffic
The only time i've gone through a red light is when i've been doing wide loads under police escort (20feet wide 60 feet long )

 

I seem to remember being told once that temporary lights come under a different definition in law, not sure if that is true.
But it kind of said that you cant be prosecuted for going through a red light, if they are the temporary kind, only dangerous driving

 

Well personally I think the whole, (hole) thing needs looking into.
Far too many holes being dug around here, with traffic lights that don't work, or road closures.

I think that even in this day and age most of those hole diggers are just cowboys, especially the ones that fill the holes, rarely done properly and usually just after a resurface.

I still think those hole diggers should pay a daily rate until they get the hole filled.
I know it is us the general public who pay the bill but I cant see any other way, unless making them pay from shareholder dividends or bosses salaries would be possible.

It needs to stop, it's getting ridiculous.

 

I find it irritating, the number of peope who are oblivious of the law regarding box junctions.

"Do not enter the box unless your exit is clear."

As well as traffic progressing forwards, it applies to cars turning right. Invariably the exit to the box on the right is clear, although there may be traffic crossing the box coming from the opposite direction. That doesn't count!
On a main road locally, there is a box junction at a set of lights. In one direction, (mine) the oncoming traffic cannot turn right across me as that road (to my left) is a one way street. There is a, "No Right Turn" sign at the lights for oncoming traffic.
It is possible for me and anyone else who wants to turn to our right if the lights are green but there's lot of oncoming traffic, to enter the box, in fact the box is long enough to get three cars in. These can all turn right once the oncoming traffic has cleared, as their actual exit has always been clear.
I've lost count when i've been in a small queue wanting to turn right, when the lights are green where the driver of the leading car has refused to enter the box.
I always get well into the box if mine's the leading car. Although once, one woman who followed me in, tried to cut me up when the road cleared by attempting to turn before me and nearly ran into me as I turned.

 

How can your exit be clear if you need to wait for oncoming traffic to clear?
You got me confused.
I'm guessing you mean you wait in the box until the lights change for the oncoming traffic and then turn right on a red light?

 

Come on!

Apply a bit of common sense.

Yeah, I know you're not being serious, but as far as the law applying to box junctions it's worth explaining as, "Not a lot of people know that!"

Your exit is clear, That's where some people get confused.
Unless traffic on the road to your right is backed up to the edge of the box. In which case you wouldn't enter the box.

To enter the box you have passed a green light. You're now in the middle of the box waiting for the oncoming traffic to halt at the lights when they turn red. When they do, you then turn right as your exit is clear. You'll be out of the box long before any traffic from your left will have a green light.

It's worked that way as it is supposed to, since yellow boxes were first used.



It's in the Highway Code.

Trouble is, few people bother to read it.

A bit like managers and staff handbooks.


Box junctions
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency sent this bulletin at 25-03-2015 04:00 PM GMT
Box junctions
The Highway Code applies to England, Scotland and Wales and is essential reading for everyone.
Rule 174

Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road.

You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.

At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping.




Read all the rules about road junctions

 

Yeah, so the law is an ass
Because on a junction that I cross every morning people do that, and I'm in the queue waiting to cross that junction.
3 cars enter the box to turn right, when the lights change, if the first vehicle doesn't hold back, they would hit the last of the 3 turning right.

That's if none of those going straight through doesn't risk it and run the red light, which happens most mornings.

The side road I'm coming out of only gets a very limited time to get out, it rarely clears the backlog, so its quite frustrating waiting around while this bunch sort themselves out.
Their exit is not clear when they enter the box, and never will be, so as I say, the law is an ass.

 

Another thing that annoys me is that some motorists are oblivious of the sensors in the road at the approach to the lights. The information given by them to the computer that controls the lights determines the length of time you get given when they change to green.
On an approach road to some lights I use three times a week, the second sensor. i.e. the one furthest away from the lights, is opposite the entrance to an office car park. Some numpties like to leave a bigger gap than necessary, in case someone wants to drive in or out of the car park. If there's no car over that sensor, the computer think there's just a short queue, so it lets about three cars through before it changes back to red.

 

Doghouse you can’t teach stupid I’m afraid

 

What policeman?

On foot?

Never happens!

They've better things to do.

Can't book him.

Exit was clear when he entered.

Charge wouldn't stand up in court.