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  1. roders

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    Don’t worry about offending Pete Ed............Pete offends loads of people.;)
     
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      That's the thing - any 'reformed' terrorists will always be wondering whether they are being followed by armed police - and that doubt just might be enough for them to change their behaviour.
       
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        I used to watch the old westerns, and to turn a phrase, the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.:biggrin: As for rehabilitation no, you cant do that, you can never trust them.


        So we end up with hundreds of "reformed " terrorist each with their own police man tailing them, not realistic in my view.
        Change their behavior?? How do you do that to someone who wants to die?
         
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          No I was not offended, but still cant see your reasoning.

          That sounds too simplistic, so lets say then, if we didn't have terrorists we wouldn't need to employ these police in the first place, so money saved.
           
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          You see, that's what I like about you, pete, you're an Optimist:love30::thumbsup:

          It would be very nice if we had no Terrorists but the sad real fact is that we do:dunno: So wishing, wanting and hoping that Terrorists will put down their knives, guns, explosives will not do any good. That's like wishing Barnier and co will agree quite happily to everything the UK wants..........in my dreams and it ain't gonna happen. So we have to accept that Terrorists pose a real danger to us and that we can't theorise and wish them away.
          My logic about the cost of the operation still stands, I think. It's like me when I was working full time with the Judges, when I was working in my office I was being paid and when I had a break I was being paid. So we have to look at the overall cost of ARG's and not the individual cost of an operation.
           
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            I give up, its like having a conversation with a sponge.
             
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            See, you've looked at my photograph, haven't you!!:love30::thumbsup::heehee:
             
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            Oh, pete and I have been "bouncing" thoughts off each other for years, Roders

            I hope you and your Good Lady are well:love30:
             
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              That's good Amandii, that you both understand each other. I have to admit. I am at times a bit sensative. I so often apologise, even when I am in the right. Simply to avoid any ilfeeling.
              On this forum. I have found members generally very sociable and understanding.
               
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                I have for some time now, considered Boris to be. Winston Churchill 11. Fair do's. Boris has often come over as a clown and a comic. Lets not forget. He is a highly educated man. He has his faults and short commings but he gets the job done.

                Pete. As a former cop. I have often wondered about all this costing business.

                Nigel. I see where you are coming from. However the present situation has called for immediate action. IMO Boris has got in quick. As I so often comment about us Brits. We have this habit of wasting time with all the argy-bargies. Get on with it. In this instance. Boris has hit the nail on the head. He has decided. So for now. No more early releases etc.

                Furthermore. I really do love fellow man. However we, with our laws etc, have to consider protection and self preservation. Be realistic. Terrorist are out to destroy ones faith in human existence. They are no different than the common murderer. I am no authoritarian on the subject but. I would bet that. Locking up a terrorist for fifty years. Then letting him out. Sorry. I would seriously expect him to re commit.

                Sorry I find at times the American justice system cruel. However. These felons had no concern about the lives and welfare of their victims. Judge for yourselves.
                 
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                  And so they are, Mike. You're among friends here but like all friends there is a lot of give and take. When posting I try not to over extend a subject, but don't always do so:dunno::heehee: Everyone goes through a bad patch, Mike, last year was an exceedingly bad year for me and there were times when it was hard to get through a day.....but somehow you do. Life is not fair or just but once you understand and accept that......it somehow makes you stronger and able to get back to enjoying Life..........and, as they say, there is always someone worse off than you.
                   
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                    If you take a detailed look at Churchill's Life, Mike, he too was regarded as a fool. a buffoon, comic, and someone who changed political parties several times. He was held responsible for the catastrophic events and failure of Gallipoli but he got through it all. Before he became Prime Minister somebody else in the same room was offered the job first but refused without saying a word so the job was then offered to Churchill.
                    I'm a great believer in "cometh the hour, cometh the man" and that applied to Churchill and now Boris.
                     
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                      Let's be clear here. The police officers who were tailing and took out the terrorist - saved lives. The terrorist was stopped in his tracks before he could commit murder - which was of course his intention.
                       
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                        What a horrible situation. Having to tail a terrorist and wait until people are stabbed before stepping in!

                        I don't know @clanless , it just doesn't seem right at all. Yes, the police probably saved lives but tney didnt prevent harm to others. There are laws regarding terrorist activities most places and I agree, if caught at it on any level, away you go and you don't come out for a very long time.
                         
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                          IMO a convicted Terrorist should never be released from prison, whatever the human rights people say.........Going further, if convicted they should be put against a wall and shot.
                           
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