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    For those of us who remember Monty Python the first time round, this seems prescient.

     
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      But how would the world stop him? As I see it, the only likely seriously constricting issue he may face is the markets collapsing.

      If a country wants to impose tariffs, then that is a legitimate move. The thing I object to is the mantra that everyone has been cheating America. It is one of the richest nations on earth because, since the 2nd WW, it has basically gone round the world taking what it wants, forcing regime change as it sees fit, imposing a shareholder economy, squeezing resources out of the poorest whilst leaving terrible environmental damage in its wake.

      As I see it, the one change that would bring it back to earth with a bump would be if the world stopped doing currency exchange through the dollar system. This could happen … though the response would likely be war and the death of millions of civilians.
       
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        I agree that in a democratic country such as the U.S. I can't see tens of thousands (possibly over 100's of thousands around the country) would be paid to demonstrate.

        I saw a video on the news showing masses of people demonstrating in around the Washington Monument. It was said there were tens of thousands but all I know is that it looked like an enormous amount of people. Friends and family in various parts of the U.S. have told us there were demonstrations near them but I have no idea on size. One was shopping in West Palm Beach (not far from Trumps mar-o-lago) and said there seemed to be a few hundred there.

        The first Sunday in each month we have group Zooms with family and friends around the world so yesterday evening, our time, is with the U.S., and countries in S. America. So it was just a coincidence we were getting reports on the demonstrations. :noidea:

        Some of them are quite worried on a personal level as their 401(k)'s, (retirement pensions) are due soon and the stock market has drastically dropped and reduced their pension pots considerably.
         
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            Just how would 'the rest of the world' stop Trump if the American people can't, or don't want to, stop him? I actually believe that his own Republican Party and their supporters would stop it happening.
             
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              The BBC is reporting that market commentators are saying trump is near his truss moment "When markets lose confidence in the direction and competence of policy makers". I would like to know why Truss is always the one labled with the blame when now Starmer seems to get off Scot free and all the abuse centred around his chancellor. I have no love for any of those involved and wouldn't want to defend anyone but it seems strange that one catastrophic policy plan is the PM's fault and the other the Chancellor. As to what is going on now, well one would have potentially screwed up our economy but the other has, at the moment, screwed up the entire global economy. Surely the mess we are in is several orders of magnitude greater than anything truss could have been blamed for.
               
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                Do you really want another American Civil War?
                 
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                Light hearted video explaining the maths behind the tariffs and some of the issues with them.
                 
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                  @Thevictorian, I’d say the difference between Truss and Trump is this. Truss moved fast with almost no signalling in advance. The billionaire class does not like that as they don’t have time to set things up so they benefit from stock market volatility. Trump, on the other hand, gave the very wealthy plenty of notice, so they were able to dump huge numbers of shares, which they will then buy back later this week at a much lower price. No billionaire will be harmed by Trump’s actions. Indeed, they will benefit massively. If their fortunes were at any risk, Trump would be stopped, as Truss was.

                  The losers will be small investors, anyone reliant on a pension, etc. Of course, the billionaire-controlled media will not run any reports on exactly who has gained and how much. It would be in the public interest to cast some light into the murky depths of excess wealth, but the media is not really about the public interest.
                   
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                    Youtube, Medium and others is available for wannabe journalists, but gathering that information is quite a task.
                     
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                    The BBC would have the resources. :) Agreed, billionaire wealth is hard to calculate exactly, given all the loopholes, off-shoring, etc, but ball park “Who has gained from this situation?” should be possible.
                     
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                    A Republican will again be voted in for President in the next term. So far Democrats continually show their stupidness, evilness. ect. And they have no message or leader. More and more information are being found of how the democrats wasted Americans taxes on stupid programs and to line their pockets. More and more folks are leaving the Democrat party for the Republican party.

                    Just today heard that Bidens aids put footprints on the floor, so Biden knew where to walk. More folks coming out about how really demented he really was. Horrid. Yes, there was someone else that pulled the strings, so some of his possible approvals are now in question as legitimate or not. SMH. So much to unravel, keeps happing every day something new.
                     
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                      I absolutely agree the Democrats are rudderless, @redstar. They should never have put forward Hillary Clinton as their candidate in 2016 or Biden in 2020, never mind even considering he could run in 2024. They just don’t seem to know how to get a viable leader on the ballot paper.

                      US citizens deserve better options and a system that is not distorted beyond function by big money.
                       
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                        @ViewAhead I completely agree that the rich are gonna get richer as a result of what is happening. He has been saying for years that the dollar is overinflated and that they want it to come down.

                        My point is more, why was truss the figure head for the plan which everybody believed was disastrous but when our currently chancellor has a plan which is seen as disastrous as well, the blame lies at her feet and not the pm? Is it a misogynistic or simply placing blame on the less liked character?
                         
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                        Thank you. I am in wonderment of WHY in all of the USA the democrats cannot find a good candidate for the office. Your right about Hillary, then Demented Joe, then Salad Harris. It makes me wonder if there is not something else going on to manipulate folks to choose Trump. And that does not say I think he should not be President. It is just that the selection between Harris and Trump was so unreal. And NOW, with the Keying of Tesla, and other crazy stuff happening, you DO NOT hear any Democrat saying to folks stop doing that. There is no Democrat using energy to try to find a "leader" to send a "message" to America. It just seems like they want to sabotage the Democrat party with all the crazy stuff they are doing.

                        It is like there is something missing, don't know what yet. I am watching, listening, waiting, and praying. Take care.
                         
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