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  1. Jiffy

    Jiffy The Match is on Fire

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    How many people would not like the way animals are killed then reach for a bootle of Bug Clear to kill the bugs on their prize rose, it's the same thing :sofa:
     
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    • Bluejayway

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      Agreed @Jiffy , that’s why I don’t use pest control either.
       
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      • pete

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        I'm not veggie, I eat a lot of fish, but I've often thought when gutting and cutting off the heads of Mackerel that this has died in order to feed me, I dont think about it too much as it could drive you nuts if you did.

        With meat we mostly just see parts of the animal so I guess its a bit different but most people dont even think about it.
        Bring back Sweeny Todd I say.:biggrin:
         
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        • Philippa

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          I've never seen meat of any sort here labelled Halal but I'm guessing it depends on where you live.
          I'm aware of the Halal method of slaughter but I don't know the actual reasoning behind it. Must be pretty time consuming to have someone praying over each animal as it meets it's end.
          Factory farming is the only real way to describe how any animal product is presented to us nowadays - conveyor belt style is apt.
          Trouble is as the world population grows, more food is required. That part of the world which previously relied on a certain type of food has been persuaded to other products and so demand for variation grows relentlessly and the food producers take full advantage.
          Dom't know what the answer is.
           
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            I've only read the first comment, it's too upsetting to read any more. I'm glad I don't eat meat, and I don't know how this practice can be approved, it's a disgrace.
             
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            • pete

              pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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              The answer is the same as it is for pretty much all the problems in the world but it wont happen. The planet needs less people.;)
               
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              • Philippa

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                Removing the Child Benefit cap at 2 children won't exactly help. I think we all know about how productive Boris J has been but did I see somewhere that Elon Musk has beaten him ? Does make you wonder how some of these "mass producers" have time to spare to make their millions :biggrin:
                 
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                  It doesn't take long for a man to make a child though. Boris and Elon between them probably spent less half an hr all told. ;)

                  I really hate the idea of animals suffering so I can eat. If there were an option to buy meat and dairy produced humanely, I'd use it.
                   
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                    It goes against modern thinking, an ageing population and nobody to pay for their upkeep.

                    Of course if governments had been sensible and allowed people to put their payments into retirement plans instead of just paying the government so that they can use it for other things it might be different.

                    If you paid into any other pension plan that did what the government do it would be illegal.

                    They talk about government raiding pensions, but they have done it for years, nothing new there.
                     
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                      TBH, there is no such thing, the dairy products have always involved slaughter of unwanted offspring.
                      Call it veal if you like.

                      A decent life before slaughter is about the best you can hope for, pigs probably get the worst end of it along with chickens, its a multimillion pound business and nothing like what we see on Country File.
                       
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                      • Thevictorian

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                        I've said it before but I think everyone should know where their meat comes from. At the moment people are so distanced from reality that they don't need to even consider the connection, so how can they make an informed choice.
                         
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                          There again, if money is really tight, your choices are constrained and ethics get lost in the mix.
                           
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                            I'm not sure that has to be the case. There are many countries that are very poor where vegetarianism is common, India for example.
                            I'm not trying to convert anyone either. If someone is happy eating meat then fair enough, I would just prefer they know how it makes its way onto their plate. Our neighbours are both veggies but they fed their children meat until they were old enough to make the choice and they chose to eat meat.
                             
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                              I think where finances play a part is, if you have to choose the cheapest available, it is likely to be the least ethically produced. Whilst expensive supermarket meat or poultry is no guarantee the animal had good treatment, cheap products pretty much guarantee it did not.
                               
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                                But isn't the Fast Food that many seem to live on pretty expensive too ? I'm always staggered at the price of a cup of coffee never mind the MacD's/ Pizza huts and the like. Within reason, quite a few could eat more healthily without spending a fortune if they knew how to produce a decent meal. It doesn't mean that some really aren't at their wits end when trying to feed themselves on a low income but how often do you see people being interviewed in their homes about the "cost of livinng crisis" surrounded by gadgets and clutching their latest mobile phone whilst saying they cannot afford to live decently ? Posh hair do's, latest fashion in clothes and often over weight.
                                As for ethical production of meat, poultry, dairy if we were really serious about this issue all labelling would have to show appropriate pics of both production and slaughter methods. A couple of years doing that may have some impact on some.
                                 
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