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  1. fairygirl

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    I like eating my bananas green. When they start getting giraffe-y, that makes me heave.
    I've never fancied avocado.
     
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      Giraffe-y! :loll: Excellent description.
       
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        Grapefruit is one of my favourite fruits! Sadly getting harder to find these days (grapefruit juice even more so - the big Tesco is the only place round here that has it).
         
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          Love grapefruit but alas can't eat it, or drink the juice, clashes with my medication:nonofinger:

          Giraffey bananas! Great description, I'm stealing that one!

          Got to love an avodaco, halved and filled with prawns in a marie rose sauce!
           
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            I agree @ViewAhead but Hamas cannot have expected anything else after what they did at the music festival on October 7th. Past experience means that Israel cannot afford to appear weak so always responds in kind and is always more thorough and deadly.

            Hamas, and its pals, all supported by Iran, brought all that misery on the Palestinians in Gaza whilst hiding safely in bunkers or other countries. Cynical and inhumane doesn't begn to describe their actions.

            Not saying it's right but it's certainly predictable and therefore avoidable by any intelligent people without a hidden agenda.
             
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            But maybe the existence of Hamas in the first place is a response to the way Israel has treated the Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank over decades, invading, seizing land, and subjecting locals to appalling restrictions on normal life.

            If you want your neighbours to treat you well, you have to do the same in return. If you treat them badly, tensions will rise and events will spiral. If you then respond to this with extreme vengeance (truly extreme), you make everything much worse for both your own people and those you have to live alongside. And you do have to live alongside them. Some ancient writings cannot justify killings and displacements thousands of yrs later.
             
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              @ViewAhead Check your history.

              Some Arabs, in all their guises and nationalities, have hated the Jews for millennia and long before Christianity arrived. Some managed to live alongside quite happily.

              That all changed in 1948 when Israel became a nation state and immediately became a focus for Arab aggression from within and from its neighbours. Israelis have had to become efficient, inventive and organised in order to fend off these attacks over the decades.

              What they are doing now is cleaning house to prevent a recurrence of October 7th when innocent babies, children, teens, adults and elderly people were murdered or kidnapped without provocation. It's extreme and devastating but completely understandable as previous peace treaties have been utterly ignored.

              It is also inhumane and I doubt will work and just wish ill-informed religious dogma which dominates mulsim lives would be replaced by secular education for all so they could liven learn and work together.

              Organised religions tend to lead to extremism and intolerance all over the world and I have no time for it in Christians, Jews, Muslims or anyone else.
               
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              My understanding of history is just fine, but I could never describe what is happening in Gaza as "cleaning house" or "completely understandable". I find it beyond comprehension.
               
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                Whilst to a large extent this may be true; it is no excuse for bombing hospitals, cutting off food supplies and then shooting starving people, on flimsy, grounds, when they try and collect the meagre rations allowed them.
                 
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                  I agree it is dreadful. Just saying it's predictable.

                  For us, sitting here in Europe in relative comfort and safety it is unimaginable to inflict such horrors on others, especially children but, in this case, we also have to remember that the current Israeli state was born out of unimaginable horrors in WW2 and after a history of millennia of persecution around the world wherever we find a Jew. It's still going on in the UK with anti-semitism being a real danger to some groups.

                  Hamas, Hizbollah and all their antecedents, allies and funders in the middle east since 1948 have still not learned that putting their hands in the Israeli fire means they end up getting severely burned. Every time they try it.

                  Time to sit down and agree to live and let live and help each other live better lives in security and peace.
                   
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                    Did anyone see the video of Iran's Parliament, all of them chatting, death to Isreal and death to Americans. Then I hear, citizens in Iran are being killed simply because they do not believe that way. I hope those poor citizens can get out fast. The Evil, so sad.
                     
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                    This is a serious question.
                    Why are Jew so persecuted, what is it about them that makes them a target.
                    Its something I've never understood.
                    Personally I dont like any over religious people, I just find them odd.
                     
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                      But after October 7th, you had little Israeli children singing songs about killing Palestines, both sides can be indoctrinated.

                      I actually kinda agree with trump on this that they have been fighting for so long, they don't know what the f they are doing anymore.
                       
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                      • pete

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                        I definitely think its something that is drummed into every generation on both sides, they are taught and brought up to hate each other.
                         
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                          As an English person, growing up in a very mixed, working class neighbourhood, where religion was never mentioned, I was shocked when I went to live in Scotland as a teenager going to University there. Almost the first question, on meeting anyone in a social setting, was “Which school did you go to?” That ranked you in terms of money, social standing and religion. Wearing a green sweater (green being the colour of the Catholic football team) in a Protestant area could get you, at the very least, shouted at and possibly beaten up. Wearing a blue shirt in a Catholic area would have the same result. My first encounter with an Orange march almost led to disaster - I wanted to cross the road that the band was due to march down long before the band was in sight. “I wouldnae do that, dear” was the advice I got from an old man on the pavement.
                           
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