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    I had chicken pox but not measles as a child. Being in public health and epidemilogy my mum made me get the measles and rubella vaccines as soon as the UK started on them in the late 60s when I was still a teenager.

    When I heard the Shingles vaccine was available for seniors I paid for OH and me to have it before the national health systems in Belgium and France offered it to everyone. I'd seen a friend suffer with it in her 30s in the 80s and it was very painful.

    I had viral meningitis and encephalitis when I was 16, an interesting special effect of a summer flu virus. Almost died and mum was told that if I came out of the coma I'd probably be deaf, blind and impaired, such was the pressure on my brain and spine.

    As a result, I've made sure Possum has every vaccine going for every preventable illness and we all have regular flu and Covid top ups.
     
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      I did read that for adults chickenpox is not so itchy, but the fever and unwell symptoms are worse. Also they can have complications.

      Hubby is now scratching at his legs! He had chickenpox as a youngster and recently the first of two doses of Shingles vaccine. Good job too. I have supplied him with plenty of potions and he is now quieter.
       
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        Everyone has their own view on vaccinations and should be allowed to make their own choice. For some, they undoubtedly save them from illness or a lot worse but for others they have bad or serious (sometimes very serious) side effects.

        We know of quite a lot of people that have had serious effects but that is because Mrs Shiney is one of the people that gets called when the NHS has given up on curing them - or alleviating the problem. The occurrence of this, we see a lot of it, is almost certainly a much higher than the average so I can't judge the frequency of it.

        A friend had the covid vaccine with no trouble until a year ago. Then she got bad tremors in her arm, fingers and neck and the GP said it is because of the vaccine but will wear off. That took almost three months. When it was time for the next jab she had it and then got the problem even worse than before. That subsided somewhat until it was time for the booster. She now can't move her should and has great difficulty picking anything up with that hand. Both she and her hubby used to be in the medical profession and believed fervently in vaccinations. She, rather belatedly, will never have another vaccination.

        Other friends float smoothly through all vaccinations - so it is a personal choice.
         
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          I agree it has to be personal choice. It is an irreversible medical intervention and if you are unlucky enough to be harmed by one, that can lead to a lifetime of disability.
           
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            It's a gamble @shiney but the odds of having a bad reaction to a well proven vaccine such as polio, diptheria, small pox, MMR, yellow fever are much less dangerous than those of getting the full disease and passing it on to foetuses and babies who cannot yet be protected.

            In your friend's case after that first bad reaction, and with her medical background, I think I would not have risked the booster but preferred to wear a mask in places where I might catch Covid. I hope she recovers.
             
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              Ages ago, I'd say about when I was when I was 40 years old, got a job at an acute care hospital, as a Case Manager, so interacting with lots of public in general and sick folks, until then I never got a flu shot, but thought, ok, maybe I would need it as too many people to be around. So got my first flu hot, boy did I feel not right for 4 months, I functioned, was not sick, just not feeling right. Not on any other medications. Well, that was my last flu shot. Don't catch the flu anyway.
               
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              That's what most of us told her but she regrets ignoring us now.

              I did have the polio vax as a kid with no adverse reaction. :blue thumb:

              Yellow fever as an adult with no reaction either but decades long bad reaction to too many (compulsory) smallpox jabs when I was in the merchant navy over 60 years ago.

              My wife had serious problems for nearly 15 years from the Yellow Fever jab and the medical profession gave up on her. She then saw a complementary therapist and was cured in two weeks! The same therapist cured me in a month.

              We don't have jabs any more and, fortunately, never had the flu or covid. :fingers crossed:

              It's our choice - or gamble, if you wish to call it that. :)
               
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                I don't really understand the new mRNA vaccines. This mRNA enters cells using nanotechnology etc. But which cells does it enter? Does anyone know?
                 
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                The virus cells, I think.
                 
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                  pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                  Just my weekend moan.
                  White van man, they completely take over the street around here at weekends with their bloody great big vans, the block your view when trying to get out your driveway and make the place look awful.
                  Lots are self employed and have no facilities for parking a big van and in most cases two cars.
                  Some have company names on and should IMO have to be parked off road.
                  They are there for the two days once parked on a Friday night, so just big obstacles dumped for the weekend.

                  One of the newer trends I'm seeing now is Ambulances parked in driveways, are they really letting them bring the ambulance home as well now.
                  They seem to be there all day sometimes.
                   
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                    @shiney I always react to jabs but usually just a swollen arm for a day or two. A GP I knew as a friend advised me to take a paracetamol 30 to 60 mins before a jab to reduce reactions. She also advised me to give Calpol to Possum before all her baby and childhood jabs.

                    Works a treat.
                     
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                      It's our own cells. They then produce a specific protein and attach it to the outside of the cell. But what cells?

                      Update: it seems to be the cells in your arm where you have the jab.
                       
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                        I've had a fair amount of jabs cant say I've ever had any reaction to any of them, polio ditherer smallpox, tetanus, various covid ones TB, and some I cant remember.

                        But that doesn't mean I want one sticking in me every year for the rest of my life like they seem to be doing with covid and flu.
                         
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                          They're offering RSV jabs now, where there is a risk of 1 in 1,000 of something bad happening according to a friend. What is RSV? Why do we suddenly need jabs for this now?
                           
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                            pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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                            God knows what RSV is they just make up new ones all the time.:roflol:
                            I think its something you get by sitting using a keyboard all the time.:biggrin:
                             
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